I saw he wasn't happy being substituted yesterday well say saw I heard him slam the door. 4 games left if true shows what he thinks of the fans, hope it not true.
From what I can see at games and by what I read on this forum I'm not alone in thinking the players don't want to play for the current regime. Maybe there is much more going on behind the scenes that we don't know about?
By what I've seen on twitter putting your own team mates down on a social networking site just shows a poor attitude and a total lack of respect for them too.
Sorry but it confirms what some of us have been saying, the club is in turmoil there is more than just a little wrong. I don't even think Maggs can take the blame for this. There is no respect for anyone at Hastings United except perhaps Simon R.
I really hope he has a change of heart. Really like Trevor and one of the few players that always gives 100%. It seems every game, however bad the team is playing, and however little service he gets, he is always the first player to get pulled off. He is definitely one of the fans favourites, so hopefully he will read this, knuckle down and see the season out. I really have never known a team, at any level of football, to have so much going on behind the scenes. Total shambles!
There's only one thing it confirms for me and that's a total disregard for his team mates and more importantly the supporters who pay a lot of money to go and support him and the team.
-- Edited by Pat on Sunday 13th of April 2014 05:41:16 PM
My phone cut out before I finished the post. I hope like John that he rethinks as he is an asset to the club but I can't be the only one who feels let down by him walking out.
I honestly don't feel let down by Trevor, we know things are going on in the last few weeks we have had arguing on the pitch, changing room bust ups, players not turning up for training, manager losing it in the dressing room. How can you blame someone for walking away.
Whatever answer I give - you will no doubt jump on. I honestly don't know of any other issues as I don't speak to the players about it and the only thing I have heard of is raised voices in the changing room at Sittingbourne and Trevor leaving yesterday. So no. I don't feel let down by what I don't know for sure. I don't jump to conclusions either with little evidence to back it up.
That's original from you chris I don't think I've heard that one before before before before before.....oh sorry just like you seems the record has stuck.
I really hope he has a change of heart. Really like Trevor and one of the few players that always gives 100%. It seems every game, however bad the team is playing, and however little service he gets, he is always the first player to get pulled off. He is definitely one of the fans favourites, so hopefully he will read this, knuckle down and see the season out. I really have never known a team, at any level of football, to have so much going on behind the scenes. Total shambles!
Totally agree.
It must have been building up to this for a while. Maybe he isn't part of the favoured few and has had enough of giving 100% and receiving little reward whilst others give a lot less and still stay in favour.
Seems to me that Trevor has no respect for his team mates
Maybe he has had enough of giving respect and receiving nothing in return. I don't think he is the only one. Let's hope the others wait until the end of the season before they show their disdain and leave the club.
Can anyone confirm 100% that he has left? lots of people say and do silly things on twitter, I can remember a lot of last years squad doing the same, Crellin, Whitehead etc. Was it heat of the moment or has he definitely gone?
To everyone asking I have left Hastings and I just want to thank all the players and every single fan that supports the club home and away. You have been unbelievable!! I was a player so would be wrong for me to say bad about anyone at the club but things are poor and the player management for me has been the reason I could not stick it out I am gutted but I had to do it! I am sure if all the fans get behind the boys they will make the playoff and fingers crossed win it! Thank you to everyone. I would be gutted if the players and fans feel I have let them down there the reason I stuck it out so long!
Sounds like he has been unhappy for a while from the statement.A bad apple,or does it run deeper? Only time will tell.Shame it has happened so late in the season.Trev scored 12 from 25 games so obviously will be missed.Thankfully its not another defender leaving,but then again we only seem to have one anyway
Just hope that the team & management adopt a real united siege mentality in the face of all these recent setbacks, if ever they need to stick together and play as a single unit it is now!
If we can get a result tomorrow away to Folkestone then I think we will be in the playoffs and from there literally anything can happen! Only takes a dodgy pen given or not or a bit off luck and then who knows!
Of course it is hard to see the positives when in form like this and with the disruption of yesterday but don't understand why people have given up all hope in the face of the basic facts that we are still in the last playoff place and until the time we are not then that still gives us a chance however slim that might be. Call me deluded, overly optimistic or even a biased idiot, I don't really care But until that chance to go up is gone then we NEED to get behind the team, i assume that pretty much everyone will still be watching games so support them and don't go as if your watching a car crash as a onlooker. This forum is like the Spurs ones I used to go on and that says it all I think.
Passions are of course running high on all sides but have got to say you do give the impression Chris that you are enjoying watching this happen so you can be proved correct with your predictions for the management and hopes for the regime change you want? You don't seem to comment much when we win ( rare as that us at the mo ) so you will face accusations of being deliberately negative for an agenda. JohnW has probably been far more negative recently but at the same time delivers balanced arguments that include praise where it is due which is why his views are held high.
I understand why people may argue for a short term change now but just don't see the point with 4 games left and whilst in the playoff positions. By deliberately causing even more disruption than we already are experiencing seems to fly in the face of your previous arguments and I'm sure any caretakers names will be added to the list of managers and coaches employed by the current regime and used in the same way against them despite being what you want.
Perhaps i am enjoying it a bit but i care about united and with the current regime we have not progressed, we are no better off on the pitch than we were under previous owners. Ok we have more money thanks to a cup run. But this money is being wasted because of other issues. I was not a DW opponent until the last 18 months, when it has become very clear to all bar a handful of you that something is seriously wrong and no one outside the club has a good word about us.
Perhaps i am enjoying it a bit but i care about united and with the current regime we have not progressed, we are no better off on the pitch than we were under previous owners. Ok we have more money thanks to a cup run. But this money is being wasted because of other issues. I was not a DW opponent until the last 18 months, when it has become very clear to all bar a handful of you that something is seriously wrong and no one outside the club has a good word about us.
Literally cannot believe you admit that even 'a bit' tbh.
Don't understand why you would watch games and go away even 'a bit' happy when we lose......
So i assume that essentially you probably want us not to go up primarily so that pressure increases on the current regime and the chances of them leaving are increased? Cannot see how that justify's your attitude to the teams results?
Have still never seen or heard of literally any alternative owner groups that anyone can name? I suppose the only one that people will look to is a fan based consortium which can work sometimes but you only have to look at the likes of Portsmouth and Lewes to see that it has its own massive set of difficulties and issues. But once again there is nothing around that even suggests a viable alternative is in place or am i missing something? even if there was a alternative plan that would reduce entrance fee's etc what would the plan be to make up the shortfall that would allow us to attract the players of the right caliber to deliver the success that you expect will follow?
If there was a real alternative then by all means have a debate but without one its purely hypothetical and utterly pointless.
For someone who supposedly is a supporter, that’s an unbelievable thing to say. You are enjoying it? Words fail me. As for progression under this regime – as I have said before – we have been promoted and then relegated and have had a cup run that we may never see again. It may not have gone as far forward as we all would hope, but in a time of great austerity, the chairman has kept the club afloat and operating – even before the cup money came in. I know that’s not what you want to hear Chris, but it’s the truth. You say that it has become clear to all but a handful of us? Once again – the people that whisper in your ear will tell you that they are in the majority.Frankly they are not. It’s the same old tired argument. “Theres more of us than you”. Dan has hit the nail on the head – and It does appear that you have one agenda only and that is to unseat the Manager and the Chairman. It comes through on every post loud and clear. You cannot make a point without a swipe at the manager or chairman, “sack everyone” seems to be your creed. This is why posters like John W has credibility – he has balance. There is not much of what he says that I can argue with, but there is always going to be things I disagree on. If you care about the club as you say you do, you would not be enjoying this and you would be doing everything you could as a supporter to lift the team spirits. Is it more that you want us to fail so that you can sit there and say “I told you so”? If so - how bad is that? You spend all that time then travelling in hope of what? That we win or we lose?
We may get promoted this year, we may not. If we don’t, we will go again at it and I’m sure that the club will learn from each and every experience, and will have the vast majority of their supporters hoping that they do well and succed.( Not enjoying failure if it happens)
Dan - even if there were an alternative, DW isnt selling so its another pointless wasted and clapped out argument.
Its quite simple short term pain may lead to long term gain. That's really sad to hear that he wont sell, as we will end up in the county league if things continue in the same manner.
Its quite simple short term pain may lead to long term gain. That's really sad to hear that he wont sell, as we will end up in the county league if things continue in the same manner.
We may end up in the county league or worse if any potential new owners are no better than the current one and are even less financially viable...... Change does not automatically = Success i'm afraid.
Even if you think promotion through the playoffs is probably far less than 1 in 100 at this moment the fact remains that there is currently a chance still of promotion and until that changes then not sure how you can enjoy the defeats even 'a bit'
Well at least you have made it very clear what you think and want i suppose.
how about we all stop disagreeing and club together and do two things
1) most importantly get behind the team for the rest of the season and give them some encouragement and.
2) lets have a whip round and fill up chris's half empty shot glass and invite him to join for the last remaining games. (nothing personal chris just a bit of fun).
Bad enough suffering the 5-0 whitewash in the Ashes series with players leaving the tour early and now similar goings on at Hastings. Realistically, we haven't looked a promotion winning team for most of the season although it is disappointing we haven't improved as the season progressed. Our problems began with the chaotic pre-season with players and managers leaving from last years squad. Our squad needs a major overhaul to be competitive for next season. Also don't think we will ever get far with one person owning the club and wonder whether Dave Walters really believes we can be a top Ryman league side with the present set up.
What evidence is there that more than one owner is better Tim? As for his ambitions for the club and his thoughts - why not ask him. I think if you listened to what he has to say you'd be surprised . We always have discussions after games and it's fair to say that I don't always agree but I always understand where he is coming from. I know you live a distance but next time you're down you are welcome to join us for a drink. Not you I know Tim, but we often get posts that try and guess what he's thinking and whilst it may tire some people - the answer is still the same. Ask him.
Pat that last post intrigues me, you say his ambitions for the club, and he won't sell in an earlier post. Surely if someone/group came along with the right money and it was beneficial for the club he ought to sell, as by staying on he could hold the club back. I think you are starting to confuse yourself.
Think the clue is in the 'His' ambitions Chris, not someone else's.... They clearly believe ( the board ) that success ( stated as getting to Con South ) can still be achieved in due course under their reign.
Chris – I am not confused at all. Dan understands it, why cant you? The Chairman doesn’t have to sell just because you ( and those that whisper in your ear and pull your strings) think he should. It’s a tired out argument and in all honesty, -I have no wish to debate further with you either. You are trouble making for the sake of it. You have also admitted that you are enjoying the failure of the club which is in my view unacceptable and speaks volumes in itself.
I know a lot of people dislike Dave and that will never change, whatever happens in the future. I've put it on record that I really like him, and the reason I do is because I speak to him. At most away games I bump in to Dave and we always have a chat and he is the most open person you could ever wish to speak to. Whatever ive asked him in the past whether it be money or new signings he has always given me an answer. Is it the truth? I hope so but who knows. He is also as passionate as any fan and I know from talking to him just this weekend that he is hurting as much as anyone about our current plight. On an earlier thread I commented on some of his decisions over the past 12 months and he has done just about everything, every fans has wanted. Sean out, Maggs in, Maggs out, TW in, Nigel Kane in, he gave the go ahead to sign Ade and Razor, despite the past and he has given all the managers money to spend, what else could he have done? Me and Dave aren't best mates and I have no hidden agenda, there may also be a lot I don't know about, but I think Dave is as open as a chairman should be. I am as gutted and pi**ed off as any supporter at the moment and I have made my feelings clear but apart from a slightly dubious managerial appointment here and there I don't think he could do much more.
Great post John and there lies the problem, I have on numerous occasions told people to go and speak to those they have an issue with but seeing as they have no bo**ocks they won't. Why should the chairman sell something he owns, it'll be like these who are saying he should sell being told to sell their house.
Great to see so called 'supporters' getting enjoyment out of seeing the side loose. I don't expect anything less to be honest, it ranks up there with those posts on the other forum encouraging players not to sign last pre season. You're not supporters at all, your just pathetic.
I know a lot of people dislike Dave and that will never change, whatever happens in the future. I've put it on record that I really like him, and the reason I do is because I speak to him. At most away games I bump in to Dave and we always have a chat and he is the most open person you could ever wish to speak to. Whatever ive asked him in the past whether it be money or new signings he has always given me an answer. Is it the truth? I hope so but who knows. He is also as passionate as any fan and I know from talking to him just this weekend that he is hurting as much as anyone about our current plight. On an earlier thread I commented on some of his decisions over the past 12 months and he has done just about everything, every fans has wanted. Sean out, Maggs in, Maggs out, TW in, Nigel Kane in, he gave the go ahead to sign Ade and Razor, despite the past and he has given all the managers money to spend, what else could he have done? Me and Dave aren't best mates and I have no hidden agenda, there may also be a lot I don't know about, but I think Dave is as open as a chairman should be. I am as gutted and pi**ed off as any supporter at the moment and I have made my feelings clear but apart from a slightly dubious managerial appointment here and there I don't think he could do much more.
John, in a thread on mc Creadie it ends one way or another always with the chairman. By all means no offence.
I can only say here what my ( short ) experiences are with DW when i was at the home game against Worthing. I was sitting next to him but before that he gave me a very warm welcome in the boardroom bar. During the game he was very passionate about it; everything what went wrong ( or good ) he mentioned and not too soft..... When it was after halftime 3-0 he seems a little bit more relaxed. I asked him several things and gave me answers back. When i met him again at The Faversham game he said hello again and shook hands with my wife who was also at THE Pilot Field. So i agree - with my experience -that he is a nice, open chairman but having indeed views of his own and he won't hesitate to say them.
So with a supporters base of around 400 it must be not so difficult to have short lines in this club. And only if things are asked and answered you will have a base to comment on it a move forward. Come on Hastings !
Read it, I liked trev a lot, good player and nice bloke, massive shame he's left but that's one side of a story, he wouldn't be saying that everything is ok for the vast majority of players but I didn't get on with it, so the story reads that everything is **** and everyone wants to leave, dunno if your on twitter but a lot of players ain't happy with him leaving and hopefully will actually increase team spirit rather than diminish it....
If your right and no other clubs like us either that could be a good thing as the 'no one likes us and we don't care' mentality can defiantly be a powerful motivator for the team. Why would other clubs in the Ryman particularly like us? We got to the FA cup 3rd round when they of a similar level have never managed it! Jealousy and envy breeds resentment but unfortunately we are not currently in good enough form to get that other type of praise, careful respect..... Like Man U at the mo clubs sense a scalp and are currently confident enough to get it!
Tomorrow night will defiantly start to clarify what's going to be the end game!
i have surported hastings for 60 years bar one in the time dw has been here ihave seen teams relgated to the kent league and come back and go past us.country teams come in and go past us. some onthe foram are telling us to get behind the team i think hastings surporters do that second best home att best away surporters in the league. i think as maggs said the surporters desevre better from the players and the board
I agree with yourself pat and dan I cant believe how someone who can put the time and effort into making the trips both home and away actually does it in the hope of seeing our players and especially our mangement fail What a sad life!!!! To say we have no prospects while sitting in a play off postion Burgess hill just dropped 2points tonight by the way is crazy Im lost for words to be honest pat but i know alot of supporters have alot to say and given time i think they will but not on here!!!
i suppose their will be plenty of negatives said before tomorrows game but myself and alot of loyal supporters will make the trip and cheer terry and the boys on Theirs still everything to play for
it aint over till the fat man sings!!! huh huh
I have a question to all of those who say new owners, What difference if any will it make to the way the players are performing?
I have like many have said always ask Dave Walters direct if I wanna know something I don't try to guess what people think.A solvent club is better than no club!!!
My attitude to life is if you don't like something you put up or shut up, if you cannot change something then you have no choice but to shut up. If you cannot do that then don't bother coming anymore. It's as simple as that!!! So on that note Chris B work out which one your going to do because I for one am fed up with all the crap you type.!!!
Sorry Admin for the bluntness but it really gets my blood boiling.
-- Edited by Chris on Tuesday 15th of April 2014 01:10:05 PM
I see some of the people on here have been noticed by the Lewes forum discussing their recent form, looks like its not always Hastings Utd that are a laughing stock as some say but now its actually some of the people who say it!
Taken from the Lewes forum....
"The majority of us realise that Garry and Danny have done an excellent job in producing a side that has put us clear of relegation worries with four games left. The trouble is that we had such a good run earlier and flirted with a play-off place. When clubs do this they attract supporters who want to be part of the "band wagon brigade" who become very ungruntled when the bad times return. It is obvious that we need some new players for next season because if we start the next campaign like we are ending this one we will be in a relegation dogfight by Christmas. It is also obvious that our management will be aware of this and are as good as anybody else at putting it right. So long as we don't start acting like Hastings forum members who want a public humiliation of their manager even though they are hanging onto a play-off place."
Talking to the players tonight and I can tell you now that despite Trevor's recent claim the players are supporting him that's not the story they've told me. I won't deny some have wished him well on twitter however I won't say what they've called him but you can take it from me it wasn't complimentary.
You don't half talk some crap Chris B!! The fact is that his comments on Twitter were unforgiveable. Whatever the rights and wrongs of who should or should not be managing the team, criticizing the manager for struggling to keep us in the promotion race is a bit rich considering that when Maggsy left we were already in that situation. I sometimes think you just say controversial things (usually diametrically opposed to what most fans think) just for the attention. Why don't keep your opinions to yourself and get 100% behind the team - like the rest of us!!
