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Hastings 2-1 Guernsey, Sawyer 2, Allen for them of course!

Crowd 420

Scrappy game but we get a fortunate handball pen and Frankie slots it away since Sam has been subbed.... ( bit precise  I know! )



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Do you know how many teas and coffees will be sold to Dan?

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3-1 to Hastings. Crowd of 495. 150 portions of chips and 500 teas or coffees.

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Match postponed huge sink hole opens up on Guernsey runway and they cant travel. game played on sunday instead after hastings fishermen go and collect the guernsey team. unfortunately they make Allen walk plank so that hastings win on sunday keeping clean sheet wirth a sawyer hattrick being only goals, crowd 497 and fish and chips all round brought with the fishermen

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Thought you were going to say chairman bought all fans fish and chips!!!

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Like Terry said it will be a huge game ; not only if the new attacking spirit of the team will again bring us 3 points but also if we can keep up with our promotion goal.
Guernsey won 4 and drew 2 of their last 6 games with a goaldif. of : 14-7.
Almost everything depends on the shoulders of Ross Allen, who scored 147 goals in 110 matches for Guernsey !! If our back 3 can stop him then we have a big chance !

3-1 with Heaume scoring for the visitors and Adams,Sawyer and Olorunda for us.

377 people watching the game and at least one foreigner on Twitter.

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The rest I can believe but Chris, you don't expect us to believe that surely.



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Thought we played well against them in the Cup game but gifted Guernsey their 2 goals, switching off when a free kick was awarded to them and the penalty debacle. Looking forward to the match and what team and formation Terry will go with. They are vulnerable at the back as Rye showed last year when Andy Atkin terrorized their defence. Unfortunately, Ross Allen was doing the same at the other end! Really need Tom to be fit for this vital match which could revitalize our season. Hope we go for the following team:- Pelling, Kelly, Jirbandey, Judge, Cruttwell. Camara, Adams, Vickers, Dolan. Pogue and Sawyer. We could alternate between 4-4-2 and 3-5-2 as we seemed to do on Monday.

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I feel good about this so 3-1 Hastings, 449 crowd , 97 soups, 599 misc drinks and 34 hotdogs. Total of 4 yellow cards (2 wach) and 1 red for Guernsey.
Little Sasha says 3-2 Hastings, 500 crowd, Guernsey to get and miss a penalty.

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Form guide says we should win,having lost one of our last eight league games at home,with Guernsey only winning one away in the same period.But as I have said in the past,teams seem to raise their game against us and I wouldn't be surprised to see the form guide turned upside down.
In contrast to our early season form,I can see us scoring goals but we look a bit more vulnerable at the back.Always appear nervy around 45th and 90th minute.
Desperately hope for a win today as I believe it could be a real boost to our run-in.
Come on you U's

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Another 3-2 victory with 479 watching, but wouldn't be surprised at us winning 4-0 depending on when we click into being comfortable with our new and improved playing format.

C'mon the U's.

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Line-up:

1 Josh Pelling
2 Andy Henson
3 Sam Cruttwell
4 Josh Jirbandey
5 Ben Judge
6 Ronnie Dolan
7 Bailo Camara
8 Sam Adams
9 Frankie Sawyer
10 Kenny Pogue
11 Tom Vickers

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12 Tim Olorunda
14 Tom O'Connor
15 Danny Ellis
16 Trevor McCreadie
17 Sean Kelly


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Got the crowd prediction wrong but lets hope we can knock 3 in during 2nd half to get the score right.



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Bloody awful with lack of effort and commitment. Either very tired or lazy or not bothered.

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Some of the simple passing was shocking today especially 2nd half, in the first 45 thought we were pretty decent going forward but the same never materialised in the 2nd half.

Guernsey were very good tbf and Allen's goal was magnificent.

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Well i'm usually fairly critical on here but today I am going to totally disagree with Hamilton. I thought the effort and commitment from the Hastings players today was fantastic. We lost 4nil to a very, very good side and in Ross Allen had quite possibly the best player i have ever seen at this level, but lack of effort.... sorry i cannot agree. First half in particular we were full of energy and endeavor going forward and could have quite easily gone in 3-2 up. It really was a thrilling first half and every time a team attacked they looked like they would score. Unfortunately Gurnsey know how to defend, we do not. Our defending at times was shocking and without Timmy giving them some cover in front we looked open all game. My biggest surprise was this was evident very early on but for whatever reason the management decided not to change things and that cost us at the end of the day.

So i am not going to be over critical today. It was one of those games and we could quite easily have got something out of it but just one point. Someone please tell me what has happened to JJ. He is a complete shadow of the player that left us. He does not look fit, he has certainly put on a few pounds and has struggled ever since he returned. Why break up the Kelly Judge partnership? On current form JJ and Henson are not good enough and they seem to be dragging Judge down with them.

And just finally, we have all been critical of certain players this year and they have all had some stick at various times on this forum, but I though  some of the abuse Ronnie Dolan got today from certain people was unacceptable. I thought he did okay and i cannot see how that sort of abuse helps anyone in a Hastings shirt.no



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For once I totally agree with John. I think we could have still got something out of the game if Kenny had converted his chance inthe second half. We only see Tim's worth when he doesn't play.

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No idea how anyone can say that was 'bloody awful'.... Yes, the result was a disaster and if you weren't there you may think that this was really one sided....but it absolutely wasn't !
I actually thought the first half was as entertaining as anything I have watched this season. Guernsey are quality going forward and agree with John's assessment of Ross Allen. Just different class and roasted JJ twice in setting up two of their goals. However we contributed massively to that first half and could easily have gone in all square or even 3-2 up. We just didn't get the necessary break or produce that moment of additional quality that Guernsey are capable of. I would also have to agree that at times our defending was pretty woeful.
The second half we had all the possession and oh so predictably just got totally undone on the break, thanks mainly to the genius of Mr.Allen. But had Kenny not missed that sitter at 2-0 it may have been a very different last twenty minutes.
So, all in all, a horribly disappointing result which doesn't give me a warm glow regarding our play off prospects. Clearly to beat Guernsey we need to defend a whole lot better and put away those chances and half chances. I would agree that at times our passing was poor but it was our crossing that really frustrated me. How often did we get numbers in the box only for the cross to never leave the ground and get cleared by the first man ?
I still think we'll make the playoffs because we won't face Ross Allen every week.....but unfortunately we may very well meet him there.



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Effort was fine, but tactics and team set up played into there hands, we could and should have scored at least 3 times, but we were just lacking in the final third, as for Judge well perhaps he has had his day, was too blame for goal 1 as captain he should ensure we have enough players back, goal 3 think he was on another planet with his intercepted pass. Surely Kelly should be playing as he is the future, not judge who is the past. JJ is a good point John but do you think he has played in a system like we are playing at the moment? Our management team need a system that our players understand not a disorganised mess that started the downfall with that 1st goal.

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Agreed that Guernsey were a good quality and dangerous team, but we were very lacklustre. I don't know if it's the lack of games or a lack determination. We looked slow in recovering to defend from attacking positions and slow to attack from defending positions. Maybe we are struggling on fitness levels and if that is the case a team like Guernsey will certainly find us out. Our work rate box to box by midfield was missing and our defence looked slow, cumbersome and awkward.

It may be that Guernsey were just too good for us and as has been said it may have been different had we converted our chances early on. But I can't help feeling we made a poor account of ourselves today and if our defenders struggled today they certainly weren't helped by midfielders that were slow to recover and help them out.

I also agree and I don't think giving our own players abuse from the sidelines is the right thing to do, however the slow recovery and low work rate may have been the frustration that led to fans doing this.

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Thought the first half was excellent with both sides looking dangerous going forward. Think we will struggle against the better sides because of the level of fitness of some of our key players. Ronnie Dolan played some great passes in the first half and Sam sets a great example with his fitness levels and industry. Guernsey were tested in the first half but had an easy time in the second. Possibly a real eye opener for some about the strength of our present squad?

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Totally agree with John W. Masses of effort but if we are going to play3-5-2 we must protect the defence better

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Only played 3-5-2 for the first 25 minutes and then went back to 4-4-2. Need more players able to get up and down the pitch otherwise formations become irrelevant. Need to get on a good run now to ensure we finish in the play offs.

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We played 3-5-2 for 2 games don't think its the formation that's costing us we had one clean sheet in twelve games says something

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It's obviously a new formation and will take some time to get used to from the players, I will say it was a very brave move from Terry to opt for that formation against opposition of that caliber so hats off to him for that. I can't fault the players effort although very frustrated at the scoreline, correct me if I'm wrong but weren't their two goals in the second half their only chances in that half?
I reckon that we'll bounce back on Tuesday and give Redhilll a thumping, I hope so anyway.

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Don't see us thumping anybody,anytime soon.
I think we will be lucky to get a point in the next two away games.Games we would probably have expected to win at the beginning of the season.As well as I thought we played today,on the whole,I think it will dent our confidence


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Not blaming the formation at all. I think it's the right way to go - but we need to protect the defence more. We were 3-5-2 until mid second half when we switched to 4-3-3 Tim

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We haven't got the players to play 3/5/2 as the 2 wide mid field players need to defend, yes its good and entertaining, but it wont win us enough games.

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Yes, you're right Pat-it was a 4-3-3 we switched to but had thought it was during the First Half when Guernsey were creating too many chances. Didn't think any of our substitutes helped although Tom O'Connor look ok. Presume Tom was taken off to avoid being red carded. Considering the number of goals Guernsey concede and the number of chances we created it was amazing we didn't score a few-think it was just one of those days in the first half.

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Really pleased TW is looking at shaking things up and playing attacking and entertaining football.

Looking forward to Redhill on Tuesday.

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Bloody awful with lack of effort and commitment. Either very tired or lazy or not bothered.


 You didn't sound very happy with Terry White's attacking and entertaining football earlier Hamilton. And I guess he can't be shaking things up very well if the players seem tired, lazy and not bothered.



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Fair comment JohnW.

My comments were aimed at the players and not the tactics of TW. I like a Manager to be brave and try new things and I also believe that the players owe it to the fans, club, manager and themselves to ensure they maintain their fitness. If you get paid to do a job (no matter how much) you should be as professional as you can in doing that job.

If, as ChrisB noted, that the players aren't capable of fulfilling their roles, then maybe we should look at whether that is truly a lack of capability or whether it's a lack of commitment. If I was TW I would be demanding a more committed attitude from some of the squad.

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You could see it coming - the second goal knocked the stuffing out of our boys and when we failed to get anything from a decent early second half's efforts - especially Kenny's miss - a third seemed inevitable as Guernsey, once again, rode their luck at the back and showed us what to do at the other end.

How we didn't have three by half time I will never know, decent tip over save, the post keeping Kenny out, what was so close to being an own goal, at least one clearance off the line, United making good use of the width of the pitch and actually playing as well as they have done all season in that first 45-55 minutes. Hugely frustrating.

To lose as heavily as that despite having played some outstanding stuff must be so difficult for Terry and the players to take. And to have lost all three encounters against that lot just doesn't reflect the performances United have put in.

We'll just have to beat them in the play offs.

And the playoffs still look our only option but we really do need to do something about that goals for column because that tells the story of the season.

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Looked brilliant in the first half, didn't deserve to be 2 down at half time. Second half we completely forgot how to play football, with us failing even simple passing. Left on a downer this afternoon. We knew it's be tight, but I didn't to expect to lose by such an amount.

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Maybe you're right Tim - I could have sworn it changed after half time. That said I still remain disappointed ghat we lost so heavily when we actually Put in  some good performances. Strange old game sometimes



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I thought it changed after half time too, I remember commenting that to shore up the defence it needed to change and that was definitely just before halftime. I could be wrong, I think I was a bit dazed at the time.

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Missed Tim and Danny, without them no real ball winner in midfield.



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We didn't look good as a whole at any point, we created chances but to look good you need to put those chances away, and everytime they attacked our defence looked shakey that was with four at the back as well. Yes we didn't deserve to lose by 4, but we don't look good as a whole, and the better sides in the division are dispatching us with ease.

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I for one came away a little more hopful than I have after some games we`ve won this season, 4-0 was not a true refection of the game, I agree whole-heartedly with John and Mick, but not Hamilton, but more importantly John, where did you get that magic phone you have, or can I borrow it? I need to make a call to my Agentinian contact in the Vatican to have word with the Boss about some play-off place at the end of the season ?

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Lol, that was rather funny when it happened. Perhaps if Terry loses his job Rev DW should look no further than myself for the hot seat.biggrin



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Some people have been saying for a while that we're going to give someone a good thrashing some day soon. I have to say that that was not a belief that I have held up to now as I have watched us limp to unconvincing one goal victories against pretty poor opposition.
So how ironic that it takes a 4-0 defeat to actually convince me that this actually MIGHT happen some time.
If we can produce the sort of 'devil may care' football (that actually proved our undoing yesterday) against some of these struggling teams and combine it with some ruthless , or even lucky finishing, then I feel we really could bag a hatful of goals.
If nothing else I am certainly looking forward to rather better entertainment from what's left of this season.



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Steady on Mick! Comments like that will get us older supporters a bit excited.Nice thought before bedtime though.Cheers

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very hard to lose that 4-0. at times we battered guernsey in first half and was a shock we losing 2-0 at half time. 2nd half thought we were not so good but guernsey only had to defend there lead so harder to play against them. our attack play now very entertaining as people have said but we need to be clinical to score. but our defending is getting worse and Jirbandey is a bad advert for going to america to improve your football. what has happened to him, very poor and hope kelly starts on tuesday. and judge to had a poor game hope it was a one off.
frustrating but probably best game of football this season and at least it entertaining at last even though we lose 4-0

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My opinion is that it was the best and most entertaining I have seen Hastings play and we could easily have been at least two up before they scored - they deserved the win over 90 minutes but the most even 4-0 I have ever seen!
Problems? Well our efence (Josh P aside) simply isn't up to par and clinical finishing is not a phrase associated with Hastings. Also getting the final ball in. High crosses went out of play they were hit so hard and low balls almost never cleared the first defender .

Overall ? We would beat most teams at this level easily and with new players and tactics being used we can only improve - but the defence is increadibly weak and Guernsey show that if we do go up we are still a long way short of a team that can survive in the premier. Despite the scorline I am happy with the team as it shows great potential but that is all. It is still at least two or three quality players short of a club that could get even a shot at mid table in the premier. Good start a long way to go.

PS Guernsey probably don't need a forum they all see each other every day at work or in their one pub and one shop - plus they all meet at their weekly family get-together all being related and all..

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With webbed hands and feet and all that......

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