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Really looking forward to our FA Cup game against Guernsey on Saturday. Their match against Rye in last season's FA Vase was brilliant entertainment finishing 6-5 Guernsey. The match started a few minutes late after the playing of national "anthems"  with all the players lined up. After an anthem for Guernsey, Rye played every verse of Sussex by the Sea with the players breaking away after the first verse only to hastily reform after the second and third verses continued.

The match showed how dangerous Guernsey are going forward with Ross Allen a real threat. However, Rye created plenty of chances from corners and free kicks which the Guernsey defence struggled to cope with. Hope Saturday's game can match that entertainment with Hastings needing a good performance to progress against talented opponents.

Good luck also to Tunbridge Wells who are playing Eastbourne Town. They are looking a good bet for promotion from the Kent League this season after their great run in the Vase last year. 



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On my way into a night shift Wednesday evening, I changed trains at Haywards Heath and saw a couple lads with green hoodies and Guernsey FC badges who'd been to watch their lot win 3-0 at the Burgess HillBillies. They have quite a bit of mainland support and reckoned there were 50 or so of them at Leylands Park- so hopefully there will be a decent smattering of them at the Pilot Field on Saturday.

We had a most civilised chat - would've been nice to talk longer - and conversation terminated with me quite naturally not wishing them all the best for Saturday. And if I can get up on time from Friday night's toils I shall be at the Pilot Field.

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Don't know if it'll work come 3pm later, but here's the link to the live stream to the match, courtesy for Guernsey FC TV. www.guernseyfc.tv/live

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Thursday, September 12, 2013

United return to FA Cup action on Saturday, hopeful that some more of that old magic will help them shrug off their first defeat of the season, last weekend's 2-0 reverse at Faversham.

Ryman League newcomers Guernsey visit the Pilot Field in the first qualifying round this week, boasting a proud unbeaten away record since their elevation to Step Four of the non-league pyramid, including a 3-1 win at Crawley Down Gatwick in the preliminary round, and a 3-0 success at Burgess Hill Town last night that took them into ninth place in the league table.

The Channel Islanders' debut in the world's most celebrated knockout competitiion is already attracting plenty of media interest, and it should perhaps come as little surprise that a clash against a United side, fresh from their historic journey to the third round last season, is considered amongst the ties of this upcoming round.

Albeit on a much smaller scale than when Harrogate Town came to town for a second round replay that was played out before a capacity crowd and a live television audience, the Pilot Field will be hosting a film crew again on Saturday.

They will be recording the match on behalf of ITV, as part of the broadcaster's coverage of the competition's early rounds, although the Club is regrettably not yet aware of when and how any highlights will be available.

Should the contest end in a draw, the replay has already been scheduled for Tuesday evening, September 17, with a 7.45pm kick off at Lancing FC's home ground in Culver Road, as a result of the Football Association's refusal to permit Guernsey to host replays outside the English mainland.

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Got to pay £2.99 to watch the match on there though mate, although for bert im sure it'll be worthwhile!



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I wonder if the fact its being filmed by ITV for highlights will mean we get to see a few of the 3600 who never really came back after the last one?!!

Obviously its nowhere near as important but i expect a decent sized crowd for this probably somewhere around 750ish. After speaking to their chairman on twitter it seems Guernsey will bring a few and the novelty factor they bring could attract some neutrals....

What do you reckon?

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Dan wrote:

Got to pay £2.99 to watch the match on there though mate, although for bert im sure it'll be worthwhile!

 Thanks Dan , think it is à bit cheaper then 50 liters of diesel and à boat trip



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Bert do you ever get to come over to the UK at all?

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Lenny The Lion wrote:

Bert do you ever get to come over to the UK at all?

         Barrie , we have ( sorry to say had ) a friendship bond with Fulham for almost 15 years. Every year we watch a Fulham game in Londen with around 50-60 NEC supporters. Always we had a great time and i have made some very good friends there. Sadly they ( supporters club of FFC ) did only to manage to come twice to Nijmegen to see a NEC match so it was a little bit a one way direction. Luckily a few Fulham supporters come over every year ( a few in October ) and I try to go to see a Fulham match every year. Me and my family had the last 6 years 4 times holiday in the South of England ( 2 times at Looe at 2 times at St.Leonards ) and that is why i came in '' contact '' with Hastings. So this year i saw the matches against Brighton and Westfield and the first game at the Pilot Field was for me very special because of all the tradition and gave me a great feeling !

So i really hope i will come over to Hastings this season and will drink a cup of tea with you all !wink



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Is the man utd v palace game on in the bar before hand? If so it would be worth the club publicising. I also remember the bar running out of beer at one of the cup qualifying games last year. I hope someone is planning ahead. ( you can see where my priorities lie!)

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I there's a few people going up for the Utd v Palace game, I'll consider coming up!

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BertNEC wrote:
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Bert do you ever get to come over to the UK at all?

         Barrie , we have ( sorry to say had ) a friendship bond with Fulham for almost 15 years. Every year we watch a Fulham game in Londen with around 50-60 NEC supporters. Always we had a great time and i have made some very good friends there. Sadly they ( supporters club of FFC ) did only to manage to come twice to Nijmegen to see a NEC match so it was a little bit a one way direction. Luckily a few Fulham supporters come over every year ( a few in October ) and I try to go to see a Fulham match every year. Me and my family had the last 6 years 4 times holiday in the South of England ( 2 times at Looe at 2 times at St.Leonards ) and that is why i came in '' contact '' with Hastings. So this year i saw the matches against Brighton and Westfield and the first game at the Pilot Field was for me very special because of all the tradition and gave me a great feeling !

So i really hope i will come over to Hastings this season and will drink a cup of tea with you all !wink

 I'm sure you'd be warmly welcome if you do get to come over Bert, keep us posted if you do. 

 



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Dave the game is being shown live yes. The game you're on about last season was the game V Blackfield the reason we ran out of beer was the unexpected big crowd we had that day which caught us out. I'm sure it won't happen again.

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So i really hope i will come over to Hastings this season and will drink a cup of tea with you all !wink

 I'm sure you'd be warmly welcome if you do get to come over Bert, keep us posted if you do. 

 

 Thanks, i really hope i can make the trip ! But yes I will keep you posted.



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Well it was certainly a very disappointing end to proceedings....just one of those aberrations that occur occassionally, I guess. I did actually think a draw would have been a fair result...we had plenty of possession in good areas but the lack of quality/ideas up front cost us when we should have been making hay against a less than convincing defence. Yes, KP had a shocker but I blame him less for their second than Henson who totally dozed off at that free kick and you clearly couldn't do that with the Guernsey 10 around. (TBJ told me to look out for him before the game...how right he was.)
KP is definitely not a man to start matches...he needs to come on after 70 minutes when the game has slowed which gives him another second of thinking and reacting time. No he's not good enough but he CAN be a handful coming off the bench. I was surprised he started today with Camara in midfield..that did seem strange.
Best players today ? I thought Darby was excellent...he can clearly play at this level and Camara did well enough too...despite squandering our best chance. I thought Richardson did OK defensively but you need your full backs to be play makers as well and admittedly he's not the best.
McClean and Crone ? Sorry not good enough for me. Yet again zero impact on proceedings...I feel we need to strengthen in these areas.
One more comment....I thought the Guernsey fans were great.... they came with huge enthusiasm and made loads of noise making for a really good atmosphere. Shame we presented them with such a gift wrapped winner though ! But good luck to them anyway. Shame too that the FA Cup is over so quickly when we think back to the excitement of last season...come to think of it, it was the ONLY damned excitement we got !



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Sadly lost with 2-3 in the dying minutes.
Edusei seems to have a great impact on the game in the 7 minutes he played.........

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Where do I start. First 10 Minutes great, next 80 dreadful. I find it amazing that players at this level are unable to make a 10 yard pass but we seem to excel at not being able to do it. Danny Ellis and Matt Darby apart we were dreadful all over the pitch and Guernsey deservedly got a last minute winner.

Totally toothless up front again and even the biggest Pogue fan must now admit he is not good enough. His pass which gave away the 2nd goal was something you'll find on a school playing field, he really had a stinker. Henson and Richardson were poor again at full back with Jono yet again unable to pass a ball to one of his own players. He was turned inside out from the first to the last minute by the fantastic Guersey no 11. Not sure why Matt Mclean started but perhaps John Maggs needed final proof he is not good enough. And poor old Jamie Crone looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he came on. Good potential but not ready yet.

So rant over! Matt Darby easily MOM today and great goal by Ellis but nothing else to shout about. We were poor, as we have been most of the season. Our league position covers up the cracks and we need new signings in now!



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Agree with John for once apart from I think Henson had a good game and poor old crone has been played out of position and hasn't had a decent ball to him in the last few games so I don't think we can criticise too much there but totally agree pogue had a shocker and gave second goal away our decision making and passing needs a lot to be desired

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Hmmm - I wouldn't be quite so down on the team - Guernsey are probably going to win the league as it is bereft of heavyweights following Dulwich and Maidstone going up last season, they are a talented side but they gave the ball away as much as United and they have to know they were absolutely gifted that game with the late penalty and then their keeper got lucky with the rebound from Sam's free kick at the very end.

Not sure what you can expect at this level from your players. I haven't seen much of Pogue but he works his socks off, is full of running and is good for 15 goals, more if he gets support on and off the pitch. I keep comparing the side with the 01-02 team which is unfair given that 12 years ago we had a lot of Southern Premier experience - we now have Ben Judge who is a class act with higher level experience. This is one step above county league - passes will go astray etc etc - maybe Terry should be back in the side, left in the centre circle spraying out those passes and free kicks again.......

The FA Cup runs of 02-03 and 12-13 were great while they lasted, look how those two seasons ended though. I think Guernsey will win the league with all their back up - so it is hugely frustrating to lose a game that way to such talented opposition.

A draw would've been a fair result today - seeing Guernsey celebrating at the end sticks in the craw still, given the way that game ended. Anyway, out of the FA Cup, concentrate on the league as they say, get those two or three higher quality blokes in, bring on those we've already got and let's see where we end up. As always - over to Walters for the key decisions re players.


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We all know Kenny runs his socks off Simon but what makes you think he can score 15 plus when he couldn't do it at county level? He is such a big lump I just want to see him win more in the air and bully central defenders. He always seems to do it when he comes off the bench for the last 20mins or so but not when he starts a game.

Not sure either how anyone would think we deserved a draw today. Stood behind the goal 2nd half and the Guernsey keeper didn't have a save to make and spent most of the game having banter with the home fans. Even heard him joke that he was bored!



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Hi John - there was rather more going on in Tardif's area than you say - in terms of close shaves you could say Guernsey maybe edged it but United had the best chance of the lot with that great ball into the area that Baillo got on the end of only to put it wide - he had time to control and pick his spot. And Tardif got lucky big time when he couldn't hold Sam's late late free kick - another day that would've fallen for a United guy.

Maybe you have a valid point re Pogue being a useful impact player off the bench like he showed at Hythe - I do concede you have seen more of him than I have etc etc - but I think that at this level, if Walters won't let Maggs strengthen the side, he is about the best you'll get. And someone who puts in the effort he does - and he does score goals - has surely to be worth persevering with.

I find it hugely frustrating to see United score two fine contrasting goals against good opposition and then see it all thrown away like it was.

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Simon I think its public knowledge that Dave is backing Maggsy to bring players in. I know he's after a number of players in fact one was at the game today who I believe he is after. I believe,and this is my opinion, that Maggs contacts and experience was a key factor in him getting the job. I feel that its only a matter of time that we hear of a signing very soon.

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If Maggs can't get players in to improve the side 5 at least, then he might as well go now, thought his selections were strange today, square pegs round holes. No defensive midfielder, striker in midfield, wide players in the centre, and the ever hopeless Pogue and Maclean. Guernsey weren't a good side, I doubt they will be top 2 with the side they had today, a couple of good players, but the defence looked like an accident waiting to happen.

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Forgot about the Bailo miss Simon, that was a poor effort and he really should have scored. Looks like we have lost Bailo for a while as well as his injury jinx seems to have hit again but that may just quicken up the look for new players.

With regards to DW allowing Maggs to strengthen, I know for sure that they have gone for 4 or 5 good quality players in the past fortnight and there may be a big name arriving on the horizon. Had a good chat with DW at Faversham, and it would be disrespectful to say who he was after but he has given John money to spend and we are looking at some top quality players.



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Good point ChrisB. Not surprised we didnt win with players playing in those very odd positions! Maybe we would have won if we had Terry still in charge.....

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Thought Hastings did enough to earn a draw against a talented Guernsey side. Simon's excellent playing surface suited Guernsey's style of play and their quick thinking players often caught Hastings out from corners, free kicks and throw ins. Hastings certainly saw lots of possession but they didn't threaten the Guernsey goal for much of the time. In contrast Guernsey looked more dangerous from their attacks with Ross Allen looking too good for non-league football. Thought Bailo's miss in the second half was crucial but Danny's excellent goal should have ensured the draw. Ben and Sean were great at the back and Matt was excellent. However, I thought the quality of the opposition did expose the limitations of some of our players. Must bounce back now with a good run in the league while passing on good wishes to Guernsey for a good draw and successful cup run. 



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Such a disappointing afternoon, did all the hard work to give it away in the final minute! Matt Darby and Danny Ellis had good games in the middle of the park today they work well together, Bailo had a decent game although missing the best chance (his injury was just cramp), agree with JohnW the full backs were awful! Kenny works hard but he's not up to it, Jamie Crone seemed to bulldoze anyone in front of him when he came on giving away two needless free kicks that i saw, we haven't got a front line and today that was the difference, hopefully soon the management will fix this.



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Words can't describe the emotions I went through today. Went throughout a bit of everything. I don't mind losing if the other team were better, but they won't. Never do I ever want to see us 'hand' (literally) the victory to them. Speculation went round before hand, and we didnt know what to expect from Guernsey. But, come on. Handing it to them like that?! Terrible. I'm sorry, but, this is the forum and this is where opinions are expressed. I can't be too bias like this in my articles or in the programme, but I'm sorry, I'm absolutely pig-sick of what happened. Such a horrible way to lose. We didnt even play too badly. I've seen us play better, but I've seen us play a hell of a lot worse. We all knew Ross Allen would be a threat, and what a brilliant player he is....hint hint Mr Maggs, how about the January window?!

I also didnt agree with the decision to bring Crone on for KP. KP provides a threat in the air and is quick on the ground. Was a shame that Bailo was injured, but I feel Olorunda should have come on instead of Edusi. But come on now United, lets get high up in the league and please, please get the better of Guernsey in the league, they're a very, very dangerous side.

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Does anyone know where you an watch the full match? Or even the highlights? - I've calmed down enough today to want to watch it back!!



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Going back to yesterday Edusi's handball had me remembering another injury time debacle in the F.A Cup at Bognor a few seasons ago.

Remember John Beales in injury time failing to just kick the ball out play and instead stroking a poor back pass to send us crashing out again. Pretty sure the chairman still has nightmares about that.



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Liam - I felt exactly the same - and watching that lot celebrate in front of the cameras afterwards just rubbed it in. I let the other camera crew on halfway know that Christmas comes in mid September in Hastings.

Now, let's see what happens with regard to new players - the foundations are there but that squad is three or four light. Others have posted on here that things are happening behind the scenes.

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I'm no KP fan but I can't believe he is getting more stick on here than edusei. That idiot ruined my day. Fuming.

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Well - I think people are just still stunned by it all - the easiest penalty ever awarded. Two weekends on the trot ****ed up by penalties

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From what I witnessed we lost to a superior side today even though it was an heart wrenching ending. They had far stronger players and let's hope we can get a striker like Mr Ross Allen.

Again have to say Matt Mclean clearly not up to it and doubt he is strong enough to get in a schoolboy team. Kenny Pogue runs for ever and is so frustrating. He puts in 100%  and some of the criticism he gets is a bit unfair as it is not his fault if he falls a bit short of this level he does his best.

Let's hope we get these new players in soon for a good run at the league title. It would good the get through a few rounds of the trophy for a change, a competition we have regularly failed in for many years.

Very best of luck to Guernsey in the next round.



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Fair point on Kenny and perhaps a little bit of the criticism is unfair. He reminds me of an old Villa player, John Carew. On his day, absolutely unplayable but most of the time just average. Kenny is very much like that. When he is on song he is a handful for anyone but when he is bad he just does not do enough and unfortunately Kenny seems to be on song 1 in every 5 or 6 games.

He has a fantastic work rate and never ever gives up but is not good enough in the air for his size and obviously does not score enough goals. Obviously we need a couple of new strikers and I think they will arrive soon, so would I let Kenny go? No way, I think he can do a fantastic job off the bench against tiring defenders and have no problem with him starting the odd game. In his defense I don't think he has had the greatest service this season, but unfortunately if the team are not scoring it's generally the striker who takes the flak, just ask poor Zac Attwood.



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Poor Zak Attwood you are having a laugh, he didn't try last season except in the FA Cup he was a disgrace, along with 3/4 others they didn't give a damn.

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I agree with most that is being said the handball was such a stupid mistake and eduesi did ruin it for us but that's football. Pogue has a fantastic work rate and never stops running, and what's being said about crone is a bit far don't you think? He's only 19 and has great potential to win us games. He had no service when he came off the bench yesterday so what could he do? He will get us goals, very crucial goals infanct just needs a bit of confidence

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Beaten by a superior side yesterday but we tried hard and deserved a replay I thought.  Guernsey deadly going forward but a bit suspect at the back, that's why they defended in depth second half.  As for the penalty, what was he thinking of?  The ball was going nowhere and we should have seen it out.  As good as Guernsey were, we gifted them the game.  Went to sleep for their second goal and then that penalty!!

As for new players, I think we need two fullbacks, two midfielders and at least one striker or possibly two.  If Maggs can't get them and Ray obviously couldn't there must be a reason.  Any idea what it might be?



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In the programme one of the directors stated players wont come because we are near the sea but DOVER,FOLKESTONE,EASTBOURNE BOROUGH AND EASTBOURNE TOWN don't seem to have any problems and their transport links are as bad as ours.

I went to watch Eastbourne Town play Leatherhead last week and Eastbourne had about 5 new players than when I saw them a few weeks earlier and not much money on show there as fas as i am aware.



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I thought the same Barry, Bognor and Margate also seem to attract players. The other worry is that we can't keep players that are local,I.e Jack Dixon 8 goals in 9 games I believe for Lewes.

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John Maggs Video interview after Guernsey match

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Great interview very honest and frank imo good to hear it

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yes he certainly does seem to say it straight, not surprisingly if this is going to be his last ever managerial job as he's got nothing to lose by being blunt!

Very refreshing in football in general and also hopefully will drive him on to success being his last chance.

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" The other worry is that we can't keep players that are local,I.e Jack Dixon 8 goals in 9 games I believe for Lewes. "

The reason why is simple - Jack is now being played in his proper position of Centre Midfield - not right back or stuck out on the wing !

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That's last year's management for you,clueless



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In all fairness Jack did play a lot of games in midfield last season and hardly ever made a real threat at goal. You do get the situation where some players perform with different players, just look at Torres and how he couldn't hit a cows arse with a Banjo when he went to Chelsea. I agree he probably did play full back more often than not but my point is his current good run of form is probably being around different players and most probably being managed in a different style.

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You also get the situation where players won't play for certain managers.

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Yeah I totally agree.

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I see Guernsey got a home tie against Dover in the next round but, because of an afternoon rugby match and various FA conditions, Dover have managed to get the tie moved to The Crabble.....to the understandable annoyance of the Guernsey fans.
I'd expect Dover to be way to strong for them but it will be one of the first FA cup results I look for. Despite all those cameras on Saturday I haven't managed to see any highlights other than a ten second shot of the penalty. Any ideas ? I'd like to see Danny's goal again.
There are some interesting comments on their forum regarding the Dover fixture......but virtually nothing about the Hastings game which surprised me.

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Mick wrote:

I see Guernsey got a home tie against Dover in the next round but, because of an afternoon rugby match and various FA conditions, Dover have managed to get the tie moved to The Crabble.....to the understandable annoyance of the Guernsey fans.
I'd expect Dover to be way to strong for them but it will be one of the first FA cup results I look for. Despite all those cameras on Saturday I haven't managed to see any highlights other than a ten second shot of the penalty. Any ideas ? I'd like to see Danny's goal again.
There are some interesting comments on their forum regarding the Dover fixture......but virtually nothing about the Hastings game which surprised me.

 Indeed, i also found no highlights !



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You can buy them from guernsey tv for 2.99

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Does anyone actually post anything positive on here? or know what they are talking about? Perhaps if the players were played in position you would see what they are capable of! The team worked their socks off and played well Saturday against a good team and if there wasn't the unfortunate incident at the end would have walked away with a respectable draw! They didn't look the poorer side and it was a fairly even game. Instead of slating players that are not yet jelled as a team and are not in position and also have had a new manager, get behind them boost their confidence and then you will see what they can do and then maybe we can win some games!

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on the fence wrote:

Does anyone actually post anything positive on here? or know what they are talking about? Perhaps if the players were played in position you would see what they are capable of! The team worked their socks off and played well Saturday against a good team and if there wasn't the unfortunate incident at the end would have walked away with a respectable draw! They didn't look the poorer side and it was a fairly even game. Instead of slating players that are not yet jelled as a team and are not in position and also have had a new manager, get behind them boost their confidence and then you will see what they can do and then maybe we can win some games!

 Hello Joanne,

like me you are new on this forum and a Hastings supporter !

I think what you mean is correct and you must always see he positive things but if things are not going as they should be then it is correct to mention that.

The way you do that is very important wink



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well said "on the fence" how about all of us encouraging the players and giving them a bit of encouragement and confidence.
COME ON THE U'S.

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