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Lenny The Lion
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Pitch looked in good condition today. Simon has done a great job restoring it.

 Believe it or not Tim the pitch needs watering its soft underneath but the top is very dry. We're hoping for some rain and Ian increase in the temperature to kick start the grass growing. I do agree though Simon has once again done a great job considering its condition just 3 weeks ago. 



-- Edited by HastingLion on Monday 1st of April 2013 09:02:13 PM



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Not quite FT in other games but Carshalton winning 3-0, Wingate have won 3-0. Lewes and Thurrock nook like both gonna lose. Reckon Carshalton will get out of bottom two. Therefore reckon its us, Thurrock and Lewes now fighting those bottom 2 spots. Carshalton are finding form. 



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Another disappointing score today as I really thought Whithawk were there for the taking. Don't think they looked particularly better than us, just a very solid formation and well organized. Yet again we went 4-3-3 when surely today of all days was a time to build on Saturday's win and grind out a result against the league leaders. Couldn't really understand the starting line up and who was on the bench and to compound the strange decisions we then took off our best midfielder midway through the half. Still a better performance then Saturday but that was not hard.

Thought the MOM award to N'Diaye was a strange one and hard to pick a MOM, but probably would give to the new lad they took off (was it Warren?) Must mention also two absolute world class saves from the Whitehawk keeper.

So results didn't all go our way today but still think its two from seven all the way up to Wingate. I just hope the guys can now lift themselves for Bognor Saturday as it is a lot more important then the cup game on Wednesday.



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Really frustrating result - our second half was a very good performance indeed. No idea if our 'goal' was offside or not from my position, neither with their second goal, which looked suspicious...

The positives are definitely there from today, we created enough chances to win the game which we couldn't say after a number of the other defeats, and against the best side in the league. Recreate that for the next few weeks and we'll be okay...

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Can't add anything from what JohnW said but one thing I will say is I am getting a bit annoyed with the substitutions Mark and Mr IPad are making taking Jamie Crellin off who in my option is our best midfielder and leaving Lee Carey on who is our worst as every ball he touched he gave away. I don't think he is captain material I also wonder why Bailo camera was named as a sub but wasn't even there???? Tom Vickers was but not named is he injured!! And too leave Danny Ellis on bench is the biggest Joke!!! But as John said MOM choosen today was laughable!!!!

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I don't want to start all the negativity again because I honestly think we did just a tad better today and could quite easily have taken something from the champions elect, but as Arrows says, some of the substitutions, finger wagging and head shaking from the touchline are beyond belief. I too was amazed that our best 2 players, on current form, Ellis and Dixon were on the bench. Please don't tell me we are resting them for Wednesday as the league must take priority. Or did we go in to the game believing we could not win? As for Tom Vickers he looked fit enough in the warm up and not sure Matt Armstrong Ford should be out at half time kicking a ball around if his injury is that bad also. Some very strange goings on.



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Ellis and Crells are two of our best players. I can only imagine Sean and co wanted to rest them for more winnable games I.e. Bognor. Remains to be seen if that's a good or bad idea.

Marks not a tactician, he's just a nice guy and he doesn't really add much to the match day management, ipad is a stats man but stats only tell part of a picture and let's face it, if he were any good he'd be providing his services higher than Hastings or Horsham previously. And Sean is a good player and a natural leader.

We don't have a tactician in the management team and that's obvious to me watching the games. If Sean's on the pitch he should be captain. Carey as Captain doesn't work. I have a lot of respect for Lee, I've been watching him for years and he's scored some crucial goals for us, but he's not good enough for this team and he's certainly no captain, never has been. I'd give Crellin the armband myself. It urks me that youve got someone like Crells on the pitch whose obviously trying to raise spirits on the pitch and acts like a leader yet Carey gets the armband and does nothing to rally the troops. Sean as Captain if he's not banned and Crells as backup in my opinion.

Still not convinced we'll survive this year. Bognor now a must win game! Same as every match since January. Problem is, we keep losing them.

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Certainly a much better team performance today than on Saturday, despite ending up with nothing.

Whitehawk were actually pretty disappointing given their league position and second half in particular we looked much the better team and dominated possession and territory.  Certainly their keeper made two great stops and a couple of very marginal offsides went against us....not saying they were wrong but I think both were touch and go.  Another day we'd have got something from today....I guess we used it all up on Saturday !

Sadly yet again it was our inability to create real goal scoring chances that let us down and nearly all our best efforts came from dead balls again.  That has to be a worry. 

Incredibly, our last home league win was on the November 6th...nearly five long, cold (actually VERY cold) months ago !



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Lowest goalscorers in the league. Has been a problem of ours all season.

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I'm led to believe that Tom has a niggling back from the challenge he sustained against Met Police. I never saw our disallowed goal but from what I hear it was a perfectly good goal. Not sure what the situation with Bailo is but when I was chatting with him on Saturday he said he had work commitments today I can only think that he was named in case he could get there in time to be on the bench, not ideal I know.
I think Whitehawk aren't the best side we've seen at The Pilot Field this season and I thought there second was suspiciously offside and definitely against the run of play at that particular time, funny how it was allowed by the same linesman who denied our goal and also missed the blatant offside towards the end when their striker was at least a yard or two in front of Ben and Razor.
As someone posted on another thread if we lost today against a side who are sitting comfortably at the top of the table it wasn't a disaster we need to concentrate more on beating the teams around us and any other results we get are a bonus.

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Can't believe Hastings didn't score today, a perfectly good goal disallow for off side, some fantastic saves from their keeper...!!!!
Just frustrating really should have taken something from the game...!!!
0-2 wasn't a fair reflection on todays game. 
Did anyone have a good view on Whitehawks second goal as it looked off side..??? 

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John,
Yes I was pretty well in line with it and it was exceptionally tight.....you'd really need a MotD freeze frame to be 100% sure. If I had to put my life on it I'd say the lino probably got it right...but if had been our day he would have waved for it.

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Freddie warren in the thick of it during the Whitehawk gamet



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Bloody hell Jez, is there anyone you don't dislike? Bit unfair on Mark I think. Do you know what he does on matchday and whether he is a good tactician or not? As I have said previously, I honestly do not know what Hugo brings to the party, and think Mark and Gary A were doing just fine before his arrival but unless we are in the changing room or at training, I think it is unfair to comment, but perhaps Hugo may throw that one at me as well.



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Very sorry John-R , I was dead in line with it and there were two offside, I think Sean should play captain roll, very difficult otherwise with him being manager aswell, Man of match, well not sure picks it, but he was`nt watching the same game I was, N`Daiye had a terrible game, and why take off Crellin, very strange decisions!

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Jez you talk about stuff you have no idea about have you ever chatted tattics with mark I bet the answers no.He has a real understanding of what it takes to make it at this level.He has helped guide the team to fa cup 3 rd round and semi final of cup . No nice man could do that without in depth knowledge of game. Have you got knowledge jez or you just some old man he wish he could do but just has to spout crap about stuff you would like to think you know about but don't.its easy to criticise other players and coaches but until you do it jez at that level don't comment on what you don't know



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Ok thanks Mick & rev59 it was very difficult to tell from my position.
I also think that Sean Ray should be Captian, he was very solid today..!!

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Bad results for Hastings today but thought the team kept going well against well organised opposition. Nice to see Sam playing much better. Looks like we are going to need 3 or 4 wins in the remaining games.

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what has happend to dee?

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Pitch looked in good condition today. Simon has done a great job restoring it.

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Just wondering but has anyone actually tried to ask Hugo ( or Sean ) what his role is?! He's always around afterwards



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And his condition 2 days go which I must say was good to see,about item he let himself go I overheard people moaning about it they can all shut up he can do what he wants he was not abusive to aggressive so why shouldn't he get drunk!!,!,!!

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Simon was great company on Saturday, he even smiled twicebiggrin we really do have some grumpy old supporters at the momment.



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Simon is a top bloke, he does a phenomenal job at the club a lot more than anyone realises. It was brilliant seeing him let his hair down on Saturday something I've not seen since Bishop Stortford or the replay at Hitchin when he nearly broke my back jumping for joy. If anyone wants to have a dig at him I would stick up for him till the bitter end. Only two years ago he was quite ill but still came back to do the groundsman duties before he was due too.

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Much better performance today and geven the gap in the table did not look like a top side vs a relegation threaten side. Whitehawk looked organised and strong but we worked harder and deserved a point as we were dominant second half. Did not get the subs thought the new guy looked dangerous and why bring a player on with no minutes to go when chasing game?
Really thought the header from Ndiaye was on side, he ran from behind defender. Attwood was offside but did not interfere with play. Their second goal was correct onside in my opinion but the lino near side was pretty poor all game and the offside not given near end was like stand up comedy.
If we can play more like that then i am more confident that we might be safe.

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I find the whole idea that if we pull together and sing loud at matches then the team will suddenly start winning games a bi strange if I'm honest. Haven't we all been doing that all season? Yet it doesn't seem to have helped us win games so far. Why would that suddenly change now.

I agree good supports an important thing and I've never booed or moaned like Mr Walters does from his box. I've always cheered the boys on. But in my opinion its gonna take more than that to cross the finish line and stay in this league. Fans keep a club solvent, its the manager and players that have to perform on the pitch and clearly the singing has had little effect so far this season.

 

p.s. I love the singing and hope it never stops. But it won't save us. 



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Hey HUFC123, the brand new account setup just to reply to my post. :)

Oh sorry, I thought Gary was sacked and Hugo brought in to fix things for the team? My bad!

....oh wait....he was? Ah ok then.

Forgive me if I was expecting Hugo IPad to improve our situation. And forgive me for being disappointed that he hasn't.

Oh and forgive me for my opinion. I presume your opinion overrides mine then? Or shouldn't I be asking questions? Is that not allowed either?

Anyone got the manual for this thing? Hard to know what I can and can't do anymore.



-- Edited by Jez1066 on Tuesday 2nd of April 2013 03:05:19 PM

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Baller, who I presume is one of our players, I can tell that Mark doesn't offer much. I've spoken to him a number of times and know him from his work with the lifeboat guys. He's a top bloke but he's no tactician. Fair enough you come on here to defend Mark. I'd expect no less from one of his players, like I say, he's a nice guy. Noticed your not defending Ipad though, which speaks volumes.

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Oh how wrong you are suspecting that Baller is one of the players Jez, you are barking totally up the wrong tree and is just like you a supporter.

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Erm ok. No need to get your knickers in a twist fella. If I'm wrong then so be it. I still suspect it is but I may be wrong. Regardless, its kinda irrelevant because very thing I said still stands true.

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Also kinda rich coming from the guy who was convinced I was a spy and couldn't possibly be a supporter. Haha.

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I don't think you'll find I was getting my knickers in a twist at all I was just merely pointing out that you have the wrong train of thought and I think you'll find that quite a few on here also suspect that you weren't who you claimed to be. 



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Sure. :)

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Jez no I'm not a player just a fan like you but maybe with a bit more knowledge about the situation than you have.Have you ever talked in depth tactics with mark ,razor or Hugo if you have great let us know what they said and I total respect for your views if answer no then you just talking rubbish.Ive seen Hugo at training and with players he knows his stuff that I'm 100% sure of as for iPad it's now an essential tool in all level of footie .I know Hugo is making sure all corners are filmed to help improve the outcome. This is modern jez and I'm sure in your day when there was no subs and the ball weighed 3 stone it was different .Everything above is facts not guess work you don't get to 3rd of fa without being tactically aware.



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Had some really good correspondence with Hugo on twitter last night, and I can only speak for myself, but feel that I have probably been unfair to him without knowing the full story of what he is putting in to the club. Like all supporters I expected an immediate impact after the surprise of seeing Gary Abbott leave and that has not really happened so it has been very easy to make him the scapegoat, but after he had the decency to answer some questions I beleive we really should firstly, wait and see if we stay up and then what happens at the beginning of next season. Yes,i've changed my tune a little, but that has only come form hearing Hugo's version of events, which I urge anyone to get.



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Your right of course. This is all rather depressing. Here we are, maturely debating the ability of the teams management structure and yet somehow someone has dragged the topic away to how I was apparently wrong assuming Baller being one of our players.

The bottom line is simple, as a team our management aren't good enough. Sean's statement reads that we were unlucky not to win. Really? Is that the best he can come up with? If I were in charge (and no before anyone mentions it I don't have he money to buy out Dave Walters) here's what I'd do to fix things...

- move Sean back to full time player, and let him run the youth side of things at the club.
- make Sean match day Captain and Crellin as backup captain if Sean's serving yet another ban
- say thanks but goodbye to Hugo Ipad
- bring in a manager & backroom staff of his choosing with experience at this level using a small % of the funds we made from FA Cup run. Still games left for someone to come in and save us.
- lower ticket prices to £7 for adults for rest of this season as an apology for poor form and as an incentive to drive more support for the team in the final month.

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Hey Baller, I don't know how old you think I am sonny. :) You might be interested to hear that back in 1999-2001 I was a scout at Dunfermline Athletic Football Club before I moved down here to sunny Hastings and got into advertising, also spent a few years kicking a ball around in the 80-90s so I know a thing or two about football my friend.

I've been coming to the PF for years on and off and I've seen a fair few changes here. This is one of the worst seasons I can recall. I don't have a lot of love for the FA Cup, as its league form that brings fans and money on a consistent basis. A one off cup run may bring in a bit of cash and some plastic fans for a bit, but any team that does well in a cup but gets relegated would view that as a disaster as it can take many years to get back to where you were both quality wise and financially.

As for modern day contraptions, statistics only tell part of the story in my opinion. And let's face it, if the work he was apparently doing was any good we'd not be in the position we see ourselves in now and he wouldn't have brought in that awful excuse for a player from Horsham. He's been here long enough to make some difference by now and I've not seen anything improve. In fact, we've got worse. We used to be the team that couldn't stop drawing games. Now we can't win em.

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Dear jez as we all know Scottish football don't count for anything :) as a scout you are aware of many things in football you need to recognise a good player and have insight of tactics and game understanding so all joking apart as a scout I must respect your knowledge .You do know mark is a Scout for Brighton Fc a proper league club:) 

And on cup run if you are a fan & not just a critic those cup games all were amazing I  know all supporters at those games loved it ( bishop away in bar was mental),but I will admit the league form not great but the fa cup does distract as all clubs including premier level will concede.if we stay up which I believe we will our form is improving 1 win in last two games if we continue that form it will be good enough and tomorrow we could make it to final that then would be a great season don't you think



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Maturely debating? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't I just pointing out that Baller isn't a player but a supporter nothing more nothing less? you were the one who has escalated it into yet another slanging match. Baller has a very valid point, about having a go at the management yet have you spoken to any of them? I doubt it because Mark has said that he doesn't know anyone called Jez or Jeremy however that isn't conclusive that you've never spoke to him.
You take every opportunity to have a go at whoever you can on here. Yes you have your opinions and don't seem to be able to listen to anyone else's, without getting peoples backs up.

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Haha. Yeah saw that Scottish comment coming. You'd be amazed how close a club like Dunfermline and Brighton are in terms of infrastructure and quality actually.

I don't disagree the cup run was fantastic, I loved it. But you've clearly missed the point. Regardless of how great it was and how much the fans loved it, where are those fans now? It's league form that brings the fans in and for a club to grow you need fans. This club can't grow all the time attendance is dwindling or staying at 400 a game.

Cups are a one off. Even of we won this cup everyone's so happy about, if we get relegated then were in the Ryman South with a weakened squad, lower attendance, fewer companies sponsoring the club, less money. It's all bad news. Oh, but we won a cup. Great, what good will that do us but please the few die hards left at the club.

Trust me, anyone with a business brain would take league over cup any day. And I won't get excited about the cup when our clubs future in the Ryman Prem hangs in the balance because we have a poor manager.

And you post proves my point about stats. You say 1 win in 2, I say 1 win in 6. Both true stats, but yours makes things look much better than they are. Stats don't tell the whole picture. Form? What form, we beat a very poor Lewes side and only just. That's it. That's the good form you talk about? Rose tinted specs I'd suggest.

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Hey Lion, I can't help it if I get your back up friend. I only post my opinions just as you do. I don't expect everyone to like it. I'm not here to please you and make you happy. It seems to me its only you and those faithful to Sean and co who don't like what I have to say. But that's freedom of speech mate. I'm not going to pretend everything at the club is alright for fear of upsetting you. That's not what it's all about.

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I also make sure I don't have a go at anyone. I post contrasting views. That is all.

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nothing good comes out of Dunfermline look at that Antony storey we had he was poor :) the team looking better now we pushed whitehawk hard stats can be viewed in many different ways u right but I prefer to be positive as it will only help team with supporters behind them not against :)



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The lewes and harrogate game proved that the singing does help it lifts the players and keeps your head up, I don't thinks its fair to blame Hugo we weren't exactly winning league games before he came in yet it's all his fault? You don't know what him and mark do in the changing room so keep your opinions to your self and get behind the team instead of constantly moaning.

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p.s. not having a go at you. Just giving my opinion. Although apparently I'm not supposed to do that either. Geez this is tough.

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Whilst I agree with many of the posts made by you Jez you do really need to calm down a bit!



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Or maybe I set up an account because I wanted to not because you not everything's about you. Did I even say I was aiming my OPINION at you no! Yes you clearly are having ago at me, well i guess I'm the only person you hadn't had a ago at yet so my turn i suppose why don't you just go support rye or something don't need so called supporters like you.

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Lots of new accounts suddenly opening up on here today telling me to get lost with my opinions. From my text and way of writing it might come across as if I'm angry or something. If so I apologise. I can assure you I'm not.

Looking back at this thread Ive not had a go at anyone on here. Seems very strange that suddenly these new users are jumping straight in and accusing me of upsetting them. But sure, they're new users who just haven't spoken up before I guess. ;)

Welcome to HUFC123 and Baller. Both apparently hate me on their first day here. I'm a nice guy really, just hated for having opposing views.

Appreciate people's support on this forum that have offered it. Maybe I do come on too strong? It doesn't seem that way to me but who knows *shrug* Maybe those who can converse with me here without telling me to sod off or **** up will point out where I'm going wrong? Or perhaps having an opposing view to those supporting Sean Ray and his team means I'll always be shot down regardless.

Telling me to shut up and leave the forum certainly ain't the way to get rid of me though if that's what your trying to do guys. I'm a stubborn fool and I have a voice.

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HUFC123 was annoyed with you before he signed up, i know that because he stands with me and the other singers behind the goals week in week out , home and away, not me having a go or saying your not a supporter and dont come to the games , just saying hes a good mate of mine and perhaps saying whats on al lot of peoples minds

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Your the one who singled out me for saying my opinion and supporting the management team even though my comment wasn't directed at anyone. Hypocrite springs to mind… well you certainly got the fool bit right

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Now now boys. There's no need to start getting personal and name calling. Why can't people just have a debate like adults? Is it because I'm saying what everyone else is thinking but doesn't want to say for fear of being singled out? I don't mind telling the truth (as I see it).

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Hahahahahahahahahhaahha, who's name calling ???

Is this another form of "bullying" ? Haha , oh dear !

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Well at the end of the day on my initial post I was defending Sean and Hugo which is my right and my opinion and you singled me out despite you always saying everyone's right to an opinion or am I missing the point? And I'm just saying what a lot of people are thinking dont care what people think of me I will support the team and no matter what happens will get behind the lads and won't stop coming to games!

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I concur

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You`ll never see him at the PF, he is here because you keep talking to him, trust me, if we all ignore him he will go away, it might even take a little time, but he will drift away.....................

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Much more importantly who`s going tomorrow and how is the parking over there?

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He probably doesn't even know what PF stands for

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Hastings456 wrote:

Jez is gonna get smacked if I see him at the PF! What a ****! I get so livid reading your crap. Just show your face in the bar man and let's see what you think then!

 

Wow. I don't really know what to say to that. Threaten me all you like from behind your sudonym on a public forum. Really no need for that behaviour. And another new member. of course. But they are all different people right??? Sure.  

 

I don't get why people can't accept that some of us don't like Sean and what he's doing to our club. It's only opinion. It's not like you don't have your own minds people. 



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Yes they are different people I think your a **** but haven't threatened anyone!!!!!

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who knows, maybe when dave walters sells the club to a russian billionaire who employees Jose Mourinho, make ticket prices FREE for EVERYONE, build a 100,000 seater stadium and signs the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Rooney ETC and turn our style of play into Borussia Dortmund and takes us into the champions league final, then there won't be any need for difference of opinions, having said....... Theres all ways one !!!!!!

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Right chill out now everyone, especially Hastings456, I don't agree with Jez at all either but no threats on here please.

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time to lock this topic me thinks!!!

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Agreed

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Baller here jez just to say I don't hate anyone on this sight go re read what I wrote . The problem I have is that you are making assumptions of people's abilities without talking to them properly.And to call someone iPad when you know his name is disrespectful I'm sure he is trying his hardest to keep lads up as are mark & razor . It's easy to call for people's heads but who would do a better job and care about club as much as they do. 



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This is getting perthetic now it's school playground behaviour grow up with your comments no need for threats!!!!!

Ps Well monitored Dan feel sorry for u

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