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Cannot get my head around the latest statement on the main site? 30 plus years I have followed Hastings home and away and not sure I have ever seen such a statement. Is the club being run by Adam and Chris or is it being run by members of the academy or are instructions coming from elsewhere?

"The club is still in the market for several senior player additions in at least a couple of positions but any players brought in must be considered the right type as regards their ability to mix well with the young players, both in terms of relationship and ability to educate".

I may be wrong, but shouldn't players be considered the right type as regards their ability to get us out of this God forsaken league? Is this perhaps also a dig at existing players that perhaps are not being supportive to the youngsters and are perhaps not spending time 'educating' as they call it? Are they indeed the same players that we all think should be first names on the team sheet but are currently not? Perhaps they are being too honest as to their thoughts as to what has been going on?. Of course I am just making wild assumptions but I just find the statement strange and feel there is a bigger story here somewhere but that is just my inquisitive nature. 

We have some superb coaches throughout the academy set up of that there is no doubt. Lets let them educate and the players do their business on the pitch. Just don't think the number one consideration when signing a player should be whether they can mix and educate the youngsters as they call it. Could just imagine years ago telling true Hastings legends like Stuart Playford, Tony Burt, and even Dean White himself, we would like you to sign but you must be able to mix and educate. I think their first bit of education would be kicking the youngsters 10 foot in the air.

Even some of Dave Nessling's comments in the Observer appear to be in conjunction with the above.

“They wanted us to get a younger, much more locally-based team and we’re trying to do that, but it’s not going to happen overnight in terms of the development of these young players"

Who are all these supporters that wanted a young local squad and possible mid/bottom table mediocrity which you will get if you are putting 7 academy players in a match day squad? Of course we all support local youth coming through and comments were made on the forum pre season that a couple of supporters would rather see local lads than so called 'mercenaries' but that is slightly different from the statement above.

And are we not in real danger of destroying these young careers before they even start?  I don't know Oliie Black and I don't know his character but how will he bounce back after Wednesday's humiliation? What is going on in Rodari's head after going 8 games without a goal, and to be honest, not really looking like scoring a goal? I am desperate for these guys to succeed but being a lifelong supporter of Hastings I know how fickle fans can be and how demanding in particular Hastings fans are. They are no different now as they were under Sillett, Maggs, Dolby, Wilson, Kane etc etc, so people need to accept that. Being a great follower of other forums, believe me we are nothing compared to the likes of Wealdstone, Maidstone, Worthing and many many more, which to be honest, are toe curling brutal at times.

Yes, Nessling  is right to a certain extent that we have tried for 2 years and its not got us promoted but my God, how close were we last year and probably deserved to beat Dorking who are now sitting comfortably in mid table in the premier. So I wouldn't say it didn't work as we played some of the best football I have ever seen in 30 plus years and a little bit of tinkering this year I believe would have seen us romp away with it but of course that is no ones fault. As soon as Watty left all the main guys were going to follow end of season.

I have to be honest, I have not been won over by Adam as yet. Some of his decisions, tactics and substitutions have been mind boggling at times but both he and Chris have to be supported 100% and be given time to get things how they want them. I just hope that they are completely left alone to do things their way and that no pressure is being put on them to throw all these youngsters in the team because I say it again, all have potential, but from what I have seen, none are ready. That is my honest assessment, but comments over the last 48 hours do not fill me with confidence as to the direction this club is going in.

I think Tuesday's starting line up will tell us a lot about the direction this club is going in and the personel that will be taking us on this long journey. I very much hope that Adam and Chris head that and are left alone to do things their way, which of course may well be happening as it absolutely should be. But as others have stated, it does not appear to be a happy ship with too many bad rumours and stories circulating of unhappy players, training ground bust ups, interference and very fierce criticism from ex players. We need the right signings in now, mixed with our senior players and two or three academy players at most, to help us push for promotion, which I honestly believe we can achieve. We need to get our best players and biggest goal threats back in the team Tuesday, beat Herne Bay, and go on a long unbeaten run, which this squad is more than capable of doing.

Of course, all of the above is personal opinion, and I feel I am entitled to that after supporting the team since 1978, but interesting to hear other peoples take on some of the comments in the Observer and the main site over the past 48 hours.

 



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totally agree on your assumptions john,report says be patient with the youngsters and of coarse we have to be,but if to many are playing week in week out against experienced players who may run them ragged (not every week )my have the adverse affect.you have to play experience with yough other wise you are only playing a yough side against men,of coarse we have a lot of our experience injured at the moment so prob we have no choice the coming weeks will tell,but lets not have our best players on the benchwho score goals that's why we signed them.understand thinking of hasn't worked in the past lets change it ,very difficult and sure adam knows what he has to do without my opinion and like john that's all my points are.im staying positive that it will come right.

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Much of where we are today - still in this division - is down to the non stop merry go round of managers. Peter Sillett and George Wakeling both had decent squads to work with yet it took them two or three seasons each to get Hastings Town promoted. They needed time to get it right. Long time supporters will recall the frustration of the mid late 80s onwards when Town were so close to having all the pieces in place in all but one season till Sillett got us up by 13 points in 91-92. Just couldn't quite get it right - till that memorable season. And much the same 10 years later after two seasons of not quite being the finished product.

As I have said elsewhere - such a shame Darren Hare left. I don't know how much of last season's credit - and there was plenty - should go to him or him and Steve Watt. But it was a Hare side that played so well in that play off semi final and while it was only right, Dorking Wanderers ultimately went up, United were fantastic that evening. How many of those who left in the summer would've stayed if Darren hadn't gone? I suspect the four that went to Margate would've still gone there but only they know.

But the foundations were there for United to give it a real go this season - all the more so with 3 sides going up. Granted - injuries have not helped at all - and I can't wait to see Johnno, Sam Beale, Tom Vickers and Sam Cole playing again. Those boys have in general been replaced by Academy players who have all excelled at times and shown they have great potential - while being asked to shoulder a heavy burden in stepping up to the demands of Bostik South. And as JohnW says - there has been too much reliance on these lads with half the side being comprised of young uns.

Having said that - I don't understand what's going on with Medlock and Cruttwell who, to my uneducated eye, were playing well yet got taken off at Phoenix Sports and started on the bench at Cray. We simply don't have players who are better than those two - so why are they not doing a full shift all of a sudden? I hope they start where they should do on Tuesday evening.

Getting out of a league - any league - is tough, tough graft with what must be the mentally massive ups and downs of the accursed play offs adding to it all. United have made it clear this last three seasons they want Bostik Premier football and that additional promotion place this season adds incentive. Adam needs time to get his ideas working on the pitch - he needs the right players to do it and that side showed at Dulwich Hamlet what they are capable of only for it to go belly up a week later when two of those big players were absent.

But for now - it'll be interesting to see what line up we have on Tuesday. I'd quite like to see Medlock up front linking up with Dullaway down the left flank.......



-- Edited by SS on Sunday 17th of September 2017 11:42:33 AM

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While being fully behind the club's policy of promoting and encouraging the best of our young players Sam Cruttwell and Billy Medlock have to be 2 of the better players in our league. Why are they not being picked? Without any official reason being given, it could easily be assumed that younger players are being given preference. Surely this cannot be the case?

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Also a mention for jack Dixon. He just looks a bit inhibited at the moment, not expressing himself as he can . Is it because he feels a sense of responsibility for the young lads, holding himself back to cover for them? He's only young himself, but potentially one of our best players, but very quiet in the last couple of games I've watched.

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It is all very well believing that the development squads coaching team are helping to produce a couple of current or future first teamers it does seem strange that our best proven players , Cruttwell and Medlock appear to be making way for an experiment that could well be a wrong way to keep our senior players interested in playing for Hastings United. With four other decent players currently out injured, it is uncertain that if they were all fit to play whether they would also fall foul of this new policy of seniors helping out and making way at the expense of the juniors at the club. I fully Agree that if any junior is good enough to be in the squad then he should be given a chance but it seems to me it's a very strange way to keep your best players happy /interested in wanting to stay.


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I echo much of what has been written above. With the absence of our injured four it is odd that two of our best players can't get a starting spot. We need to keep our players and add to the squad, I can't see how putting them on the bench will encourage them to play their best or stay in the long term.



-- Edited by FatherXmas on Monday 18th of September 2017 10:44:42 AM

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I can see where a lot of you are coming from. However, this is no ordinary season for HUFC, the club has decided to go in a different direction and you need all players to buy into this, without knowing the full facts of what is happening, I think we have to be patient and support the manager. It is a change of culture for many of the players so time to adjust is required, what hopefully will happen is that the project works and in future players will slot in and adapt to the culture very quickly.

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Correct Chris but talking to club officials the end goal is no different this season. Promotion is the only target and they expect it, and that is good to hear. What we are saying is if this continues with picking unproven, academy youngsters who are clearly not ready over proven players at this level, it wont happen and I think the people that count know that. The management will turn it around, I have no doubt.



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I will support whatever direction we go and have always supported the youth . But leaving out experienced players when it's right to play the at certain times I am not sure . However the manager and his team are football people and know what they are doing .whilst I just have watched football from the terraces for 30 years ... so what do I know

Exciting watching youth like Bradley and Sonny with their energy and enthusiasm ...

Howvere the old 80's dog like me still love an old fashioned striker and character like the likes of Billy and Kenny Pogues of the world . Also the presence and old fashioned tacklers like Tom Vickers and Sean Ray

Good on the club If this is the direction , like John I will embrace it but promotion this season seems so far away





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Be interesting to see what we look like on Tuesday night, to see if the changes at Cray were a 'one off'. Maybe Adam thought they were not fully fit enough to start or maybe another reason who knows apart from him really.

Interestingly according to East Grinsteads website we've signed a striker on a 7 dayer from them who was at Lewes last season but maybe not in time for tomorrow. I would be very impressed tbh if we can accommodate bringing through so many youngsters and still end up challenging for promotion by the end of this season.

It has been pretty poor of recent but is still very early tbh and also injuries have hit our better experienced players which has been unfortunate.

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I didn't welcome the direction the Club is travelling this season when it was first announced. Sides which achieve automatic promotion from our league tend to do so with an experienced manager and a cadre of seasoned players who have worked with that manager before. Yes, that costs money and even when money is expended success is not guarranteed. But to adopt a radically different policy does not of itself make success any more likely.
Development of young players is important. Not only because every now and again (less often than some would wish) a young player will become established as a first team player (and not disappear somewhere else); but also because parents, family, and friends of the the young players potentially become more involved with the club and so expand its appeal and involvement through the community.
However, there is a danger that priorities can become clouded. The first team should not and should never be subordinate to the aims of the Academy or the development of young players. The club is a professional club not an amateur club or a community project. As such the clear priority should always be first team success.
We are though in the position we are in. When Adam was appointed it was made clear that that was a three year appointment. He must be given that time and our full support. Of course, full support does not mean we should refrain from constructive criticism Quite the contrary. I have always been impressed with the quality and maturity of much of what goes out on this forum. (Those who are sceptical of that might care to look at the dire postings on some other club's forums) I just hope that the management do take note of some of what we say!



-- Edited by GeoffM on Tuesday 19th of September 2017 09:33:51 AM

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