We are getting worse defensively. I told you he is clueless he may be a good coach when someone tells him what to do. But he cant adopt tactics and find players to stop us shipping goals. A shambles get shot of him now before we end up in a relegation battle.
Problems start with pidgeley its clear he has lost it. Look him up on Wikipedia he has had more clubs than tiger woods. And they have mostly moved him on after a handful of games.
Sorry I totally disagree, this is not the time for Darren to go for the stability of the club. Been an absolutely horrendous last 3 games in particular no doubt and 100% some things need changing and some harsh questions need asking and some harder answers produced I think but I still don't think this should be on the table now.
Totally agree with Dan and don't want to see Hare go.
I wasn't there so obviously can't comment on individual performances...but do seriously wonder if Pidge is the man for the job.
I absolutely understand everyone's frustrations and I am seriously fed up but I am in the Dan camp I'm afraid. Pidgley, Cogan, Davies and the new loanees not good enough, and starting to wonder what Steve Watt is bringing to the party but Hare to stay for me. Has to be given the season and sorry if that pees people off.
Let's go back to long ball kick and rush rubbish of the last few seasons. Have a word with yourselves.
Let's remember Darren also signed bodkin who is the best player we've had since Bradley Goldberg. Not once this season have I thought that I wasted my entrance money. I can't say that for any of the previous multitude of managers that have failed over the last few seasons.
I would like an answer from someone on Stannard though and why he is not playing. Dave is quite right about Bodkin but Stannard not far behind. Best player at Horsham by a mile as Mike states but first to be taken off and then barely seen since. Is he injured or not?
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I'm new to your forum and a relatively new Hasting's supporter.....but a long enough supporter to be frustrated and somewhat mystified in the results and team choice. I do know that Stannard is not injured but just not chosen to play. Bodkin is a fantastic player (I've seen him at previous clubs and he thoroughly deserves his place in any team). The U's defense is certainly lacking and Pidgeley under performs. What seems worrying is that Pidgeley is the first teams coach....what message is that giving to the rest of the team ? Personally I don't feel the manager should go at this stage but should certainly be questioned on his team choices and also who is really pulling the strings in the dressing room ? Is there a louder voice than his ? Without doubt the defense needs strengthening and players need to be selected to play in their rightful positions otherwise they are being set up to fail and ultimately the team will suffer as a result.
I fully understand why some dont want a managerial change. But what is going on we are signing players that arent good enough. John you admit this. Anyone can make the odd mistake in signing players, but with Hare its the opposite its an odd success. Why and what reasons do those that want him to stay do you have to think things will change? And finally i would suggest any of us could send out a team to entertain but its a results business as well.
Dave makes a good point above. Unlike in many previous seasons, not once have I headed up to the PF out of 'duty'. I have always gone with the expectation of being entertained and I haven't been let down yet. Our last two home defeats have been damned frustrating but still worth watching and I hope that continues whatever the outcome of each individual game. Yes, of course, we want results too and maybe we have to change our gung ho approach a little to ensure that. But not too much, eh ? I would agree that recent defensive signings have been none too impressive but the constant changes can't have helped either. I'd always keep Ollie and Richard in the middle and work outwards from there. Pidge has been a major disappointment....basically he just doesn't stop a high enough percentage of goal bound shots. Corinthian must have scored with three quarters of their efforts on Saturday. Still waiting to hear what ACTUALLY happened last night. Of course signing really GOOD players at this time of the year is never easy. The reason they are available is because they can't get into another team....it may take next Summer to finally get hold of decent full backs to give us a settled back four. But let's NOT sack the manager. I would be very afraid that a number of our more decent players may go at the same time.....and then we'll be struggling to get out a team anywhere near good enough to compete with the best in our league. I fear for us at Tooting now. Our defence must be shell shocked after the last three games and that game couldn't have come at a worse moment. Fingers crossed we'll win 9 - 8 !
Surely its best to get a new manager now. He has the rest of this season to sort things out and get a squad for next season. If you were in charge of a results business would you give Hare anymore money or a budget to spend next year. I wouldn't.
One further point on Pidgeley. If Nichols had made as many mistakes and Pidgeley was on the bench do you not think manager would have started the back up?
it dose not help naming players on here this has happen before with players leaving john w should remenber what he said about boswell who scored for horsham against hastings . to many would be managers on here
Personally I think it's madness that people are genuinely considering this & that it has even come up as a serious discussion, there's 27 games left in the league ( we're not even halfway through our league fixtures! ) and we still have up to 5 games in hand on the sides above us, we're the second top scorers in the league.
We all hate the fact that we change managers so rapidly so why on earth are people even considering doing this when aside from the huge issues with the defensive side there is actually several positives still? What guarantee of getting someone of pure class who would want the job when we won't even give them time to do their job?
Of course something has to be done to tighten up the team but that is very do-able still at this stage.
We beat an excellent Greenwich side 3-0 recently so it shows it can be done.
I do think that Lenny needs to get fully fit to let his ribs heal properly ( I've had broken ribs and it makes you very cautious about doing things even if you don't realise it ) and if that means sitting out for a bit and letting Ryan Nichols start then that's what needs to happen. do think we need to get a properly experienced high level CB as well for the rest of the season. ( not short term again )
-- Edited by Dan on Wednesday 14th of December 2016 10:16:08 AM
Please remind me Ollie, I'm all ears. How pathetic, not naming players, this is a completely independent supporters run forum and the club and main website severed all links with this site in the Dave Walters era. Like every other supporters forum in the country, we have every right to name players, especially when you are spending £100 plus a month supporting them home and way, are you? It's the players fault if they choose to read and all you are doing is deflecting from the real issues at hand. If this was supported and linked to the club, then i agree but it's not so I have no problem in people naming and shaming. If you don't like it perhaps you shouldn't read Or perhaps take a look at forums such as Wealdstone, Maidstone, Lewes and Folkestone amongst many others and you will see we actually go pretty easy on the players.
Think that John has said the right thing and of course you all may say what you want about tactics, players, management and so on. See the discussion about that the manager has to go. All are entitled to do so if it's done in the right way !!!
In all homesty Boswell was very poor in his short time at Hastings, ( Sure Dom was also quoted saying that it just didn't work out for him here ) he's clearly not shocking though and fair play to see that he's doing well at Horsham again and it's invariably the case that ex players end up scoring against their former clubs.
Very small margins make such a huge difference Dan. The subbing of Stannard and the last minute free kick at Horsham. Bodkin one on one at 2-2 v Dorking. Ollie Rowe hitting the bar from 2 yards whilst 3-1 up at Carshalton. Cogan missing right in front of the goal at 3-3 v Corinthian, so many small things could have gone the other way and we could be sitting pretty in the top 6, and I still believe that offensively, we are the best team in the league. Unless he walks, and he has absolutely no reason too, I have no doubt the directors will make the right decision and stick with Hare.
But anyone can set up a side to attack and entertain. Trouble is our entertainment includes comic defending. Dan dont you undestand that a managers job involves scouting the right players and setting up a team to win games. We dont appear to be doing either. Can anyone say we dont look a poor side at present. What is Darren bringing to the club that is likely to get us promotion?
Darren is bound to be feeling pretty discouraged himself but I hope he will be staying for a number of seasons. We probably won't get promotion this season but I am encouraged by the entertaining football Hastings are playing. Something is going wrong with our defence-goalkeeping, frequent changes in the back 4, young inexperienced full backs, not much defensive cover in midfield-all are contributing to a terrible run. Confidence must be low as well. Folkestone possibly owed much of their success last season (and this) to having Frankie Chappell and Liam Friend in their back 4- two experienced and solid defenders. Hopefully Darren will sort this out and our season will get back on track.
don't think hare should go after just half a season,we are scoring lots of goals but leak them like a sieve Darren knows this is the big problem and its his job to sort it.but come on half a season and people want him out,its the old storyhastings want instant success and are not willing to wait you just don't know what will be without giving enough time and half a season by far is not enough time,lots of managers have come good after a bad start.
Think the Manager has to sort out his defense and goalkeeper problems because on the attacking side we play some excellent football!
So give him time....... Think that we must all see some progress in the near weeks/months.
Settled defence - no chopping and changing. This side can mix it with the top teams in the division - Dorking doing the double on us is unreal, 2 top performances against Greenwich, how many sides score 4 at Carshalton, 9 goals scored in our last three games but all interspersed with defensive errors.
If Pidgley isnt totally fit could that be contributing to his error count? If so, Ryan should be in goal. Harry and Jack should both be doing full shifts - Jack in particular is a revelation now he is fit and with Stannard, Collin and Bodkin we have all we need going forward with Johnno snapping away in midfield.
It has been a crazy three games. 22 goals, some great football, some awful mistakes and rub of the green not in our favour as in that Dorking result. There is still time to resolve this with Hare in charge.
What does not help is having to play catch up all the time - sorting tactics in real time and trying to resolve the defensive frailties of the last three games. 13 conceded while 19 let in in the previous 16 games!
This is an extreme version of those seasons of yesteryear when Sillett and Wakeling juggled around till it all fell into place. I would rather be where we are now than where we were 11 or 12 years ago.
We cannot keep changing our manager every time we have a few dodgy results.We are playing some great football the best we've seen for years stick with Darren to build a side over a few years like they did at folksrone .If Darren goes then players will go to then more players will come in and there's no certainty things would get any better then what oh yes get rid of the manager.STICK WITH DARREN but then it's always the certain people that always moan on here
It is entirely legitimate that Chris should ask the question he does in this thread. He is entitled to his view; and, to some extent at least many of us will have sympathy with what he has had to say. Given the truly woeful defensive performance in our last three games - foreshadowed by several others since the start of the season - it would be surprising if it were otherwise. I had doubts about the wisdom of appointing someone with Darren's background at the start of the season. An academy background in a fully professional league does not immediately equip someone to deal with the quite different pressures of managing a team in a league like ours. I have long argued that to get out of this league the best approach is to play what some would term a rather negative , defence oriented, counter attacking , long ball game centred around team discipline. Garry, last season, said he would follow that plan. He didn't - or at least he didn't do so consistently and effectively - and, of course, he failed to achieve the outcome we all wanted. (He did though get us to within a game of the play-offs - and that looks a dream as we stand at the moment!)
Darren has gone down a different path of playing much more open attacking football. That has given us some wonderful moments and memorable games. But it is a high risk strategy when you have part time players players of variable ability. When things go wrong, as they now have, they go very badly wrong.
So what now? I do not want a change of manager this season. We have made far too many premature managerial changes over the ten years I have been watching at Pilot Field. Every change costs serious money - which we can ill afford - costs time and erodes confidence. Darren has ability. In all jobs in all situations people need to be given time to make and correct mistakes. Very few people get it right first time. If they do it's often luck. Sometimes though the adjustments needed must be radical and painful. I don't expect Darren to change his whole approach. But he needs to take very bold swift action otherwise his position will become quite untenable.
The whole defence must change and be properly organised. As a minimum Pidgely and Cogan should go. I'd hoped that Steve Watt, with his experience, could act as a defensive coach. Either he's not doing that or he's ineffective. If that can't be put right then there's scant benefit in him being on board. I'm sorry, I hate to criticise individuals in such terms, but it's that stark. That's now Darren's choice. Can he ditch old friends and acknowledge the need for real change? ..... or attempt to muddle through with more of the same? I really hope it's the former.
Every time we appoint a manager most supporters want him to be given two years to build a team and get us the success we crave. As soon as a few results go wrong the same old crowd come on this forum baying for the managers head and we are seen as a sack 'em club with no thought for the long term. I want promotion and beyond just like most of our supporters but I can't help feeling that a few are only happy when we loose.
Darren has brought entertaining football to the Pilot Field for the first time in many years and I am prepared to give him the full two years to get a settled and winning squad.
No steve i want the club to be succesful and recent managerial appointments have not been up to standard. I fear the same applies to Darren, any successful manager will tell you that a team is built from the back.
How do you know a new man is going to be any more successful though Chris? And that you won't be starting a thread like this for yet another new manager this time next season?
It's not like we haven't had a few and we've tried all types, none of which have given us what we want ( instant promotion ) the only thing they all have in common is that they haven't had that long to get things sorted.
Isn't it worth giving someone more than a season with full support to see if they can do it even if it takes longer than the first season. I and clearly others can see more than enough things that indicate reasons why he should defiantly be backed but the defensive issues do have to be corrected very quickly indeed of course they do.
We are one of the bigger clubs in this division but we have no divine right to instant promotion, if we are constantly have 2-3 managers a season how the hell can we build a side to get promoted, yes the defence does need sorting out but we could have beaten Dorking and Corinthian if we had taken our chances because we did play some great football that's the way it goes sometimes,let's just give Darren so time
In the 3.5 years since I first passed through the turnstiles at The Pilot Field, I'm starting to lose count of the number of guys we've had at pitchside, not to mention 2 different chairmen, & I literally have no idea how many players we've used. We've had some absolutely nuts results since mid-October and the defence is clearly a mess. But, change the manager? No. At our best the movement and skill displayed this season have been better than anything I've seen at this level.
I have a *slight* notion that Darren knows the defence needs urgent work and I'm sure something can be sorted out. The minute he gets the boot we'll probably lose the players - "his" players - that have made our attack sparkle this season. Do you want that?
We're not going up this season, I guess. We all wanted that above everything, but we also come to be entertained and we've had a good bit of that. Yes, it hurts to see us score and then see the opposition just stroll down the other end and pick us off, but it can be fixed. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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I always remember the great Brian Clough saying
"You've got to give the managers a chance. Not sack them after a short time" or words to that effect. I agree with those sentiments.
Father Xmas as always your right it takes time to build, yes the last three games were laughable I only saw 2 though. If Pidge is carrying a knock then he should not be playing but Ryan Nicolls if this is the keeper I watched a few games ago in a cup game (I think) sorry we will not be any better off on that front! It takes time to rebuild if we keep chopping and changing managers, players etc it just will not happen we will be stuck in a rut, reading forums for entertainment giggling to ourselves about the post's.
I have learnt that we as supporters are quite a fickle bunch only have something to say when things don't go right never congratulating people when its good same old story, different year, same people saying the same thing !! Me included.
Interesting to see for the first time this season there is not so much as a peep or a comment about either game, from Darren in today's Observer. Read in to that what you like but for me, I would have liked to have heard his thoughts on the past week's debacle, especially after last Friday when he stated that we can still win the league, which of course we still can if we win every game left this season.
Make your own mind up Mike. Extensive highlights of the whole match on the Molsey website which are well worth the watch. Three things that are obvious from the pictures are firstly poor old Pidge, they really do not help his cause and perhaps make it even worse. What was he doing on goal 4? The overall defending was abysmal but a distinct lack of retreating midfielders for goal 5. And finally all well and good blaming the defence but how many cLear cut chances did we miss? Really should have won comfortably. The highlights clearly show the whole team were to blame for the shambles.
Great goal by Harris by the way, what a first touch.
-- Edited by johnw on Friday 16th of December 2016 09:43:37 PM
Hare today gone tomorrow lets be sensible look at Bugess hill or Bognor one manager success follows. 1 2 years maybe 3. for f**k sake we need stability
