A lot of names are already mentioned after the departure of Garry Wilson and Danny Bloor as possible new manager of our club.
Dean White
Terry White
Sean Ray
Warrilow
Chapman
Tuck
Malcom Porter
Chris Mc Ginn
Simon Rowland
Steve King
What do you prefer ? Someone outside the club with no history or just who knows the club well? A young manager who can rebuild the squad with players based in Hastings or nearby? Or a very experienced Manager who can bring in new ( expensive?) players for direct success?
Really think that the new Manager and Assistant must be appointed very soon so the preparations for the next season can start immediately.
To be honest I don't like this type of thread, as they are pointless, if a job is advertised you don't know who will apply so to say who you'd prefer at this stage is ridiculous. But what I would say is that job must be advertised and not given to someone who is approached. We must have someone who wants to manage Hastings not someone who Hastings want to manage.
To be honest I don't like this type of thread, as they are pointless, if a job is advertised you don't know who will apply so to say who you'd prefer at this stage is ridiculous. But what I would say is that job must be advertised and not given to someone who is approached. We must have someone who wants to manage Hastings not someone who Hastings want to manage.
Disagree Chris,
you can argue about names but not in what direction the club must be heading. Local based person or outside. Starting with local based players or bringing in 'big names ' which costst a lot.
Think that i don't say which name you prefer but what kind of Manager you prefer.
I don't think Bert's post was asking who but rather what type of manager people would like? The names were I believe just names that may have been mentioned.
I don't think Bert's post was asking who but rather what type of manager people would like? The names were I believe just names that may have been mentioned.
Exactly Barrie; those names were mentioned in another threads.
People are perfectly entitled to state who they would like if they want to make that public. ( all the ones mentioned above are at least realistic and would be likely available as expect even managers currently at a club won't be on a contract beyond this summer )
Plus even if / when the job is advertised we won't know who's applied until they are announced so obviously can't discuss it. Unrealistic to have all on here sit in silence and not comment on names until there's an appointment. I did want G&D to be here next season but It's done now.
So just because you don't know who wants the job means that you're not allowed to talk about it are you Chris? You will not find out from the club who applies for the job, I appreciate where you're coming from but you will not stop people taking about who they would like or speculating on who will get the job. Every time this situation arises in any club, people will throw names in and out of a hat.
Not at all. Its so irrelevant
All I hope is its an outsider with something to prove, personally I would like a young manager only likely to be with us a couple of years as success will take them to a bigger club
I think you're missing the point Chris, Bert isn't asking who people would prefer just what type of manager they'd prefer? I believe the names are there because they have been mentioned in other threads.
Chris, it seems always irrelevant what we think or want on football matters.
But isn't that the idea of a forum? Just to have a thought, idea, opinion to express your feeling about your club.
Irrelevant; oh yess maybe but that doesn't matter to me.
Back to the thread. For me it is not quite clear; Chris idea may take a longer step to success but maybe will get - at the end - more support ! A proven Manager with good contacts will bring - maybe - sooner success.
No it is irrelevant what we think or want ? you're right there Chris... because no matter what we "the supporters" want, after a couple of games you'll be shouting clueless and calling for heads to roll again.... as you have ever since the FA Cup run.
I'm with Chris to the extent: firstly, that it is is pretty pointless to go too far into speculating about individuals when we don't know their circumstances or availability; secondly, that the decision regarding a new manager rests with the Board alone. So ultimately all that we might say about this (or anything else indeed) might well be so much dust in the wind.
That said, the general issues of what style of management we want, what sort of persons might best fit that role, what strategy the club should adopt, etc are of crucial importance to all who love the club. If we are not to discuss those issues - at length perhaps and with candor - then there isn't much point in having a forum at all. And we are entitled to hope that the Board, whilst not being fettered to the least degree, do pay some attention to what we say.
I've said my general view in another thread - that the crucial point is for the Board to give an indication of how they see matters progressing. If they want an all out push for promotion out of this division within the year and (and this is the point) they actually have the will and the funds to attempt to do that; then that is one thing. Many of us would have views on how that might best be done and how the attendant risks might be best managed.
If that isn't the position - and I would see no shame whatsoever if the Board wish to be cautious or simply haven't the funds - then some other strategy needs to be adopted. One which would seem likely to imply a longer slower build. That too has risks - as Dan noted in response to my earlier post - expectations and a measure of frustration are high. We still have excellent support so we must do the best we can not to let that ebb away. But at the end of the day the choices rest with the Board. I don't expect them to be free with all their deliberations, least of all about budget or commercial matters, but I would urge them to be as open as they feel able and to involve all of us and the wider community so that we too might best contribute to the club's future.
Excellent post Geoff. WIth regard to the new appointment ,it would not surprise me if some CV's have not arrived already. I presume the post will be advertised in the NLP . Will be interesting to see the wording. I would be inclined to keep it simple....' Hastings United wish to appoint a team manager, apply etc,etc ' and leave it to see what turns up. We shall have to wait and see.
To me I would like to see terry back
as coach
as iv seen what he does pre season training and that was one of the best training session iv seen and the players worked there .... Off
What about the names of Darren freeman or Michael maher??
Darren freeman may got relegated with lewes and probably will stay there but would he be tempted if we got a big budget as don't believe lewes have.
Michael maher I believe was another name in for the running just before Dom got appointed, he is a UEFA A football coach so may actually getting us playing football instead of hoofing it.
I'm surprised we've not had more comment on the style and qualities we want to see in the next manager: A motivator? someone with many player contacts? a fully qualified coach? someone with a proven track record at our level? someone with a Hastings background? someone with no previous connection with Hastings whatsoever? and so on.....
For myself, I really don't know; but what I think would be helpful would be for the Board to say (beyond the suggestion reported in the Observer) that the post will be advertised and what criteria they see for a successful application.
Shame about Warrilow, very good manager and know the ryman league well. did wonders at Tonbridge for a long time fairly recently and also did a miracle at Cray last season. i think he would have been good to get a team together instead of a load ofindividuals and that Geoff is what we need. a manager that can build a team and get a good spirit. our team under wilson and bloor never look like that. Worthing won play off today and when i saw those game they look like a team that had a good close knit. We need a managerthat can build a strong defence i say that in another post. teams that win things are teams with good defence and under wilson and bloor ours was very poor. We was too easy to beat last season and i think wilson and bloor failed big time with money they had. think we need to spend less, have hard working players that are coach properly have no players that are on stupid money and generally all round get more balance in players and there money as high paid luxury items give bad feeling in squad. Think warrilow was the guy to sort it but now maybe freeman might fancy it but dont think there are many obvious ones. Think someone with no Hastings baggage or unfinish business would be a good start. Someone with recent or current experience in ryman and knows how to get out of ryman south. when we got promoted about 10 years ago that team was local players that really was a proper team and you could see how they play for each other. Spicer, Rose, Ellis, Adams, Razor the Olorundas, some good players and others not so good but what they lack in skill they made up for in heart and this season their was no heart just a desire to get paid. not saying we need local players but we need players that fight for each other that respect each other and play for each other. We need a manager that can get that from his players but apart from warrilow i am not sure who that person is. i think the club spend way to much this season and need to make sure foundation right to build like worthing done over last few years and that what burgess hill done before them and make sure we havegood players coming through. we have crutwell and tyrell but last year there were more that never got look in, cant remember his name but the small kid that played well at end of last season but never got a sniff with wilson in charge.
Yes, like Peter thought our defence looked vulnerable all season. Surprising in that Lewes supporters used to complain that Lewes were too defensive and unadventurous when Gary was there. Agree also that our last promotion team were harder working and seemed more together as a team. Don't think many of them had played at a higher level so perhaps they were more ambitious and motivated to get promotion. Gary has mentioned that there were some footballing issues he wasn't happy with. It would be interesting to know what they were.
Yes Tim and yes Peter. What concerns me is that we will somehow sleepwalk into the next managerial appointment without a clear idea of what we want or expect.
Rubbish I think we know what we want and expect, as do the Board, it's finding someone to deliver that is the problem. I know what I said about names, but there is one that if he threw his hat into the ring could give the board a dilemma the last name on berts list, he would get us promotion but at what cost.
I see it as a positive that youth development is made clear. If we can bring on the younger players who made appearances mostly the season before last ( Liam Foster, Kyle Holden and even ones who may have moved on already such as Hanifan etc and tie them in with a high quality core of current and new first team players ( don't have to be locals though ) then provide a progressive pathway for aspiring talent into the first team squad then we should have the makings of a well balanced squad similar to what Folkestone did this year.
G&D did bring on Sam Cruttwell hugely this season by playing him in his correct role and Bright & Tyrell had positive seasons and roles as well but hopefully that can be built on and pushed further.
I think once again though that one possibly two top strikers for this league are required from day one and we'll have to see how Billy recovers and if he's in a position to play for us again ( sure there will be significant interest elsewhere )
Kings a successful big name but not sure about his record in bringing youth through as just know he's renowned for attracting big budget players.
We have had some other good young players though Jamie Crone, Jason Taylor, Tom Vickers,
also would like see Matt Darby back again thought he was terrific the season we made the playoffs
if Josh Pelling is not fit lets give Matt cruttwell a run of games a Hastings lad who wants play for the club.
i know you can't have a team of Hastings lads but have a few as they wear the shirt with pride unlike some of the money men we've seen over last 2 seasons
-- Edited by steviesteve00 on Sunday 1st of May 2016 11:19:08 AM
I wonder if one of Gary's footballing issues is to do with training facilities and the availability or non-availability of the Pilot Field for training sessions. If it is, this is something that does need to be sorted out.
It would be useful for any new manager to have good links with either Brighton or Gillingham as this might help with the arrival of loan players. Is there any one at Gillingham or Brighton who might be interested in the job?
I wonder if one of Gary's footballing issues is to do with training facilities and the availability or non-availability of the Pilot Field for training sessions. If it is, this is something that does need to be sorted out. It would be useful for any new manager to have good links with either Brighton or Gillingham as this might help with the arrival of loan players. Is there any one at Gillingham or Brighton who might be interested in the job?
The only one that comes to mind is Darren Hare from Gillingham, he ticks all the requirements advertised, but again an ex hastings player from the late 80s.
I see the Observer has reported Dave Ormerod as saying that 'five or six' applications have now been received following the advertisement in the Non-League Paper. The deadline is stated to be 13 May; with interviews expected the following week. In what might be an indication of criteria DO said:' Hopefully most of the players will stay, but possibly there will be more of a focus on youth next season'.
' Hopefully most of the players will stay, but possibly there will be more of a focus on youth next season'.
I think this is a indication that not too much money will be spend on new players or even those who are here now and we want to keep. Focus will be on youth next season and of course that will be much cheaper.
So can we conclude the club want to build for the next years?
Bert: That was pretty much the interpretation I took from what was in the Observer today and from the wording of the advert in the NLP which Dan reported some days ago. OK, I've no criticism at all if that is the way things need to go; but it seems to me that quite a few things necessarily follow. Most obviously, that there will not be a quick fix, that there will not be a huge push for promotion next year, that we actually need to develop younger players (rather than just paying that concept lip service), and (above all) that we need to keep whichever management team is appointed for two to three years minimum to allow them a reasonable chance of success with the cards which they have (apparently) been given. Quite a task!
I would like to think we are doing away with the mercenary approach, and get players who want to play for us with a reward appropriate to ILS, enough of paying silly money for players not prepared to give 100%, and we want players that don't take holidays at crucial points in the season.
Chris, I don't disagree with much of what you say above. But it seems to me that if we are to follow a lower budget/ local player/ youth oriented player policy that that will be unlikely to achieve instant success. Are we as a club and as supporters prepared to show much more patience than collectively we have shown in the past?
It has nothing to do where players come from or their age. You need players who have either got a lot to prove, or have a proven track record of giving 100%. If a player drops divisions to play for us it is probably about money, they don't care about HUFC. That's why the manager selection is vital, we need one with a proven record of success at this level on an appropriate budget.
I wonder if one of Gary's footballing issues is to do with training facilities and the availability or non-availability of the Pilot Field for training sessions. If it is, this is something that does need to be sorted out. It would be useful for any new manager to have good links with either Brighton or Gillingham as this might help with the arrival of loan players. Is there any one at Gillingham or Brighton who might be interested in the job?
The only one that comes to mind is Darren Hare from Gillingham, he ticks all the requirements advertised, but again an ex hastings player from the late 80s.
