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Lenny The Lion
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Chris, the pitch is in the best condition it has been for many months and with some preventative maintenance work being carried out next week, will ensure that it stays that way. The pitch does need some rain but it would have to be weather of biblical proportions to call a game off due to weather.

I can understand where Andy T has got confused there has been a plan to play the U21's and U18's in the less important cups but certainly not the Trophy games, Andy has obviously got his wires crossed.
As for KP I feel that he is as many have said more effective coming from the bench to use his pace against a tiring defence.

Saturday, in my opinion is a chance to build the squads confidence and also get a bit of a cup run going.



-- Edited by Lenny The Lion on Tuesday 1st of October 2013 11:01:16 PM

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I've got a feeling we're going to have a good run in this, this season. Brentwood or as Pat knows them Brentford Fc have won just 2 games all season and sit 2nd bottom in the Ryman North.  Ok I know league form isn't everything, we proved that last season but I really fancy us to do well Saturday, I'm going for a 3-0 win. 



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Yes I totally agree the goals are going to come
now we are gelling a bit better

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Wonder if maggs will put out a full strength team as got the impression at meet the manager chat in the bar a while back DW wanted to stay with the unders for the cups and stick to the league Cant make the game which is a shame but will be their for the monday game KEEP THE FAITH COYU'S

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No definitely not Andy, the 21's will be taking the Ryman League cup and Sussex senior cup whilst the U18's are taking Sussex intermediate cup I believe it is?
Prize money for Fa Trophy is around £1000 for this round. I'm certain it will be a very strong side.

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I think it is a small club with not many info on their website:

BRENTWOOD TOWN FOOTBALL CLUB, nickname "The Blues", is based at The Brentwood Centre in Doddinghurst Road, approximately one mile north of the town centre. We run a senior league side and two youth teams, at Under 18 and Under 16 age groups.

It will be second homegame in a row of 5 !

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A 3-0 win would be nice and I agree with Barrie. Would like to see KP on the scoresheet on Saturday too.

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Only place i would like to see KP score is at Little Common, we need quality and KP isn't that, hard working but not Ryman standard. On the subject of teams, how ridiculous saying we will play weakened teams in cups, it might be that due to bad weather one of these games might be the only game in a while so the front side has to play.

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Agree about KP but at our level you can't afford players who are bench players, as with non availability for whatever reasons bench players start a lot of games.
Re pitch I know pitch is good, but away games and snow towards December play a part as well, I don't think there is any need to say what side we are putting out in cups, until the day before to help supporters decide if they wish to travel.

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Regarding FA trophy it was the FA trophy last year that was the start of the debacle as that game at E Thurrock was the first time we saw players not trying.

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That 4-0 E Thurrock result was probably the worst performance last season with maybe the 4-0 Ryman cup defeat to Concord challenging it! Both horrible journeys!

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See Horsham have warmed up for Saturdays game vs Hastings with a 7-2 home defeat to Burgess Hill tonight. That can not do their confidence any good whatever side they had out.



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Looks like they did what we did last night John but with a different outcome........

www.hornetsreview.co.uk/News/141013.htm



I'll take a 2-0 win on Saturday.




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Lenny The Lion wrote:

Looks like they did what we did last night John but with a different outcome........

www.hornetsreview.co.uk/News/141013.htm



I'll take a 2-0 win on Saturday.


 And the match report for a attendance of 71..................................

 

http://www.hornetsreview.co.uk/2013-14/Reports/BurgessHill(LC).html



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Today: First qualifying round at The Pilot Field: Hastings United - Horsham

Match preview from Horsham:

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As England supporters begin to make their plans for next year’s World Cup Finals in Brazil, Horsham will be hoping to avoid a south coast Samba celebration this weekend when they take on Hastings United in the 1st Qualifying Round of the FA Trophy.

Now managed, of course, by former Hornets John Maggs and his assistant Cliff Cant, Hastings have won six of their last seven matches to move into second in the table and, in Rodrigo Branco, the Arrows followers have a new terrace favourite. The twenty-two year old began his playing career for Sao Bernardo and Sao Paolo in his native Brazil before unsuccessfully trialling at Blackburn Rovers after coming to the UK three years ago. Since then the striker has featured for Fleetwood Town, Lancaster City, Maltese side Floriana and, more latterly, Woking from whom he joined Hastings at the start of the month, coming off the bench to score what proved to be the winning goal on his debut against Brentwood Town in the last round of the FA Trophy. Injury ruled the South American out of Monday’s emphatic League Cup success over Faversham Town but, although the Hornets’ task should be made a little easier should he fail to recover for this weekend’s tie, they will know that Hastings are far more than a one-man team, with Maggs shaping the side up for an instant return to the Premier Division after last season’s relegation. Kenny Pogue and Sam Adams have hit six goals each, while former Horsham goalkeeper Josh Pelling has kept seven clean sheets this season and been beaten just once in the last three games although there be a reshuffle in defence as Sean Kelly begins a three match suspension.

After successive cup exits this past week, Simon Colbran will be looking for his side to keep alive their chances of knockout success and will be boosted by the return of Lewis Hamilton, Gary Charman and Michael Hunter who each missed Tuesday’s heavy defeat at the hands of Burgess Hill Town. Billy-Joe King will face a fitness test on a troublesome groin but new signing Andrew Juett is in line for his Hornets debut, after recovering from a dead leg, and teenager George Hole will be rewarded for his impressive midweek showing with a place in the squad.

With Hastings having lost just once at home this season, Simon is under no illusions about the task in hand. "Hastings are going really well in the league and I expect them to be thereabouts at the end of the season but its up to us to go there and spoil the party. We've had a tough week but we're overdue a good run in the Trophy so its up to us to pick ourselves up and put in the sort of performance we're capable of."




No, i don't think Horsham will spoil the Party: Come on Hastings !:bier:



-- Edited by BertNEC on Saturday 19th of October 2013 07:03:05 AM

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He thinks they're over due a llong overdue run in the Trophy? So do we mate get in line BEHIND us, it's our turn first!

2-0 U's I reckon.

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Final Result 4-2 !!

What a comeback...:hail:....... Attend: 310



-- Edited by BertNEC on Saturday 19th of October 2013 04:11:49 PM

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Does anyone know if Rodrigo is fit nd are they going to give anyone a chance from Monday squad??

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Would think he would be a doubt but have no idea if he's ready or not, hope that 10 from Sat gets on the bench at least

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Hastings United manager John Maggs is looking forward to a ‘special’ reunion with old club Horsham.
United will host the Hornets - who Maggs managed for 11 years and led to the second round proper of the FA Cup in 2007 - in FA Trophy first round qualifying today (Saturday).
Maggs said: “Saturday’s game is a really big one for the club. You’ve got something a bit special. It’s not only a Sussex derby, but I think possibly there will be 10 of my former players playing in the Horsham line-up.
“I know all about Horsham and their capabilities. I know the boys will want to come and rub my nose in it a little bit because there’s nothing better than to put one over the old gaffer. It’s going to be a difficult game.”
If Maggs can put one over his old club, it will be only the second time since 1998 that Hastings (who were then known as Town rather than United) have won two FA Trophy ties in the same season. Victory would also earn United £2,700 from the FA’s prize-fund on top of the £2,500 they made from getting the better of Brentwood Town in the preliminary round.
The Ryman Football League Division One South table would certainly have United as favourites. They currently sit second, some 16 places and 15 points above their opponents.
Sean Kelly starts a three-match ban so on loan Josh Hare will continue at centre-half. Rodrigo Branco is a major doubt having gone to hospital with a twisted ankle sustained against Tooting. Tom O’Connor is unavailable as parent club Bromley don’t want him cup-tied.
If the game - United’s sixth in succession at The Pilot Field - ends in a draw, a replay will take place at Gorings Mead on Wednesday with a 7.30pm kick-off. Follow @SimonNewstead on Twitter for match updates and return to this website this evening for a report.


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3 Red cards ( for us Oloronda ) in the 70th minute . Still 1-2 behind...

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Ouch - a game that had everything. Was surprised the referee and lino was able to pick many bones out of the fisticuff-fest. Tim's 3 game suspension will rob the midfield of the bite it needs.

As to the football - asleep early on to go one down - that goal was far too easy. I thought United played most of the decent stuff in that first half and Kenny had a decent 90 minutes, scored an easy one, missed one and made one plus lots and lots of endeavour - well played. Penalty looked a tad dodgy but we'll take it and the Woodley effort to put United 3-2 up was outstanding.  Horsham's 9 men were out on their feet in that last 15 minutes but United were a man down themselves and looked the fitter side.

More of the same next week as those crucial league points are up for grabs. For now, enjoy a long long Trophy run (which this is!) and that's £5000 in the bank.Adams pen Horsham FAT 13-14.jpg 



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Well that was absolute nuts today. Hastings were very poor throughout but still managed to win 4-2, with a little bit of help from the officials and Horsham's indiscipline. Too many of our 'big players' had poor games today with Darbs, Danny Ellis and Timmy all struggling to get in to the game. Horsham more than deserved their 2nil lead but then hit the self destruct button with some suicidal defending letting us back in followed by a mass brawl which saw 3 sent off. There was only going to be one winner after this and goals from Sammy and 2 from Jordan gave the scoreline a slightly flattering look.

Not many performances to shout about today but thought Ben, Kenny and Charlie Slocombe all had good games but poor old Jono. I really don't want to get on his back, and I know he is being played out of position, but surely he cannot play another game for Hastings at left back. It seems every goal we concede is down his flank. He just seems to switch off and daydream.

So another win but another average performance. Someone is going to get a right tonking soon if we do click. Should be a feisty league game next saturday.

 

 



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Well where do you start with a game like that!

Pretty poor before the sending off, no real movement, while Horsham kept the ball pretty well. As for the brawl, no idea what happened as I was over the other side of the ground. Anyone know why Tim was sent off? Saw it started with Sammy and the Horsham player squaring up, but after that it was madness!

That changed the game, lots more space. The main thing is we're through, and hoping we can reach the 1st round proper. Looking forward to Horsham again next week, should be tasty!

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Timmy flattened one of their players. Shame, cos as Simon says, he will be a big loss for 3 games.



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4-2 victory without playing at all well. Horsham will feel things went against them in the game and for much of the match they caused Hastings problems. Their big players out wide put in lots of crosses and Charlie had no need to go to ground for their second goal.  First goal for Horsham was ridiculously easy.A fortunate win but winning is a good habit to acquire. Hoping for another home draw. Disappointing attendance today.



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A crazy game. Couldn't really complain at being two down...not that Horsham had created much but we had created even less.
Definitely didn't think our starting line up was working at all well with plenty of players off colour. I maintain KP should not start , Bailo couldn't have trapped a bag of sand today and even Matt Darby was giving it away too often.
The brawl certainly changed the game and with 10 v 9 I always fancied our chances. Despite having an excellent view from the main stand I didn't actually see any punches thrown and I thought the ref may have calmed the situation with a handful of yellows....clearly the officials saw things I didn't.
Great strike by Jordan but how strange we feel we should have had at least six on a day we never actually played that well.
Next week will be interesting. I hope we start with a different line up and hopefully we'll get a similar result and one that we really deserve.
One final point...Horsham have a shocking disciplinary record at the Pilot Field. I recall at lease two games in fairly recent history where they have had players see red. Can any of our statisticians refresh our memories of Horsham's misdemeanours ! Thanks.


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Certainly lucky to get a win today, totally agree that the sendings off changed the game, even John said after in the tunnel to the Horsham manager if you'd of kept your head we were never winning that!
Cracking goal from Wooders from what I saw of the first half we were poor and never looked like getting any better in the second half with 11 v 11.
Horsham had 4 sent off at The Pilot field when Hopkinson was in charge and we still managed to loose and they were bottom of the league and got relegated that season too if memory serves me well.

Timmy knew he was going to see red when he walked away from the scuffle, I think Sammy and Danny both could of got their marching orders too, how the officials saw anything in that mayhem is beyond me, we got lucky but I will take it all day long.

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Also Kenny was lucky to stay on pitch the funniest thing was seeing Jordan run in the middle of the scuffle as he is so small

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Honestly, can't really believe we won that 4-2! Strangely it prob should have been even 5 or 6 bearing in mind the Kenny and Danny Ellis 1 on 1's but to be fair they were prob as shocked with the score line as we were!

Certainly take it and hope we get a winnable draw in next round as Skrill ( I hate that word ) Prem sides come into the round after that! Luton or Wrexham anyone?!

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Think some of you are being over generous to Horsham we gifted them 2 goals, not by their good play, the y gifted us a goal, and then the big fight, perhaps ref should have sent 1 off from each side, as by the letter of the law 7/8 players could have gone for raising hands to head/neck area. After that point we were always on top and as has been said could have scored more. Horsham were not the better side despite how badly we played at times, they were a poor side who could not pass or retain possession. But a left back is essential as we are awful through that area and an accident waiting to happen.

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Agree that we need reinforcing at LB as neither Jono or Akwasi are really LB's with both decent in other positions.

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I'm very surprised Andy Corrigan never got a run out today after Monday nights game. He showed that he's capable of fitting in.

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If we see a second half more exciting than that this season, it's an absolute treat. Unbelievable.

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Just reading some of the comments on the Horsham forum and they're obviously pissed off about today's result and I can understand why. Chris is getting a bit of grief on there re his last post however I think it must be said that the way we'd played up until the WWE Smackdown event, was in my opinion the worst we've played at home this season. If we'd played the way we're capable of then I think we would of probably made lighter work of it than we did. Granted we got lucky with the red cards and they feel that none of their players were to blame at all but I clearly saw Sammy and one of their players going head to head whichever way you look at it is an aggressive act from both players. Despite all the aggression shown towards the referee and linesman at full time not one of the opposition went into the refs room to speak to him although he did offer to see them.

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We were awful today passes going astray unable to control ball, unusually poor defending (we missed Kelly big time and where was Hare?), agree we gifted Horsham 2 goals and we made them look quite good although they to were guilty of not being able to pass. it really was a poor game and after there 2 goal lead looked to be over but then they gift us a goal and then a poor tackle by there player lead to mayhem. personally i think the only two players that should have been sent off were Sam and there player that did tackle as they squared up to each other head to head. the rest really was handbags mostly apart from Tim so agree with that red but overall ref should have got captains together and try to calm it down as really it was nothing more than handbags.

Horsham losing discipline cost them so they can only blame themselves but we are lucky we were on the end of it and good to finally win 2 games in this trophy after so many poor seasons. looking forward to draw and next weeks league game but i think ebveryone will be on good behaviour

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Hares registration has somehow failed to reach the league Peter, despite it being sent first class they haven't reached the league as yet, the Royal Mail have said that 1st class post can take up to wait for it......22 days! This meant he was unable to play.

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So how come he has played then?

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As he has played then suppose a points deduction will follow??



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No as the initial signing was sent by email and that is valid for 5 days so there will be no points deduction at all. We will most probably just get a fine because they've been delayed in the post. It is honestly nothing more than that a postal delay its as simple as that.

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Whether or not there is a points deduction it's pretty poor that the club didn't pay £1,60 and send it recorded delivery or about £6 to send it special delivery.

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unfortunately it's something that happens every now and then and we're not the only club that it happens too. From what Tony has told me there will Not be a points deduction and if Tony has said that then you can pretty much take it as gospel, that man is so experienced and knowledgeable in football its unbelievable. 



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Does anyone else think that this Horsham supporter is hinting that the officials took a bribe yesterday? ..............
Got to say well played everyone. We just didnt deserve to lose that game. I've been going to football since 1966 and this is the first game that i've left a match feeling cheated. Yes you lose some like Chatham, you dont like it but thats it. Yesterday we were cheated out of a result so much that you begin to wonder if there was more to it than meets the eye.

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It really is laughable. You lost controversially yeah but you lost get over it!

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Agree with that we cannot argue with his Holyness secretary Cosens.

Its about time he was knighted for services to Non league football.

I know that every club we have been to has made a handsome profit after he has visited the catering outlets!!  

 



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But that makes it worse, if it is a known problem surely you do all you can to eradicate the problem, and for the money it costs it's very shambolic considering you may have been gambling £2750 for the sake of £6 luckily we got away with it.

Lenny yes I do, I can't believe how bitter and pathetic a couple of Horsham supporters are, it's not like they are such a good side that they were totally dominating the game, the score was 2-1 at the time, we were in the ascendancy no one forced their players to react it was their decision to get involved, but as for the penalty like it is said decisions over a season even out just one of those things we conceded one dubiously at Faversham so we may have got a dubious one today. In the End we were deserved winners fabulous Jordan strike don't see where the ref was involved in that, as with our 4th.

Horsham are a nomadic club with obviously some bitter and twisted supporters that may need help from a head doctor, and the rant on their forum about admission prices borders on hysterical, having to pay an extra £1 once a season, this year twice, is hardly worth complaining about.

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No Dan it is still regionalised so could get someone up as far as Cambridge but as far west as Tiverton!!

This competition is regionalised even in the first round proper when the conference clubs come in. 

We will have to win 3 more games before thoughts of drawing Barrow or Grimsby away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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You would think looking at some of the comments that Horsham battered us yesterday and were cheated out of a win so lets try and put some things in prospective.

From a Hastings point of view, apart from Merstham away that was by far and away our worst performance of the season. We had 2 central defenders missing, and some would say a left back missing, no Branco and from what I understand the squad were on the back of a virus that had swept through the squad and management, no excuses but they are facts.

We were poor throughout but still restricted a so called rampant Horsham to just 4 attempts on target in 90mins, 2 of those being free kicks. The Horsham keeper pulled off two fantastic saves in the first half and despite being very poor we could have quite easily gone in all square at half time. And whilst everyone talks about the poor decisions against Horsham I am amazed no one has mentioned the incident when Kenny was through on goal in the first half and was taken down by the no 4. He only got a yellow and being only a few yards away, behind the goal, there was no way the covering defender was going to get there. The score was 1-0 at the time so who's to say that would not have changed the game. He was very fortunate to stay on the pitch in my opinion.

With regards to the penalty I find it strange that Horsham supporters down the other end of the pitch can be so sure it was a soft penalty. It was committed just in front of the post in the Horsham penalty area at the other end. The only person that had a clear view was the linesman and a handful of supporters on the corner flag, one of whom told me it was a definite. 95% of those in attendance yesterday can have no real idea whether it was or wasn't. And apart from Gary Charman the Horsham players were not exactly kicking up a fuss about the decision.

With regards to the mass brawl the whole thing was guess work by the officials. Hastings could quite easily have lost Sam and Kenny but from where I was three Horsham defenders sprinted into the melee pushing and shoving themselves so  they could also have quite easily been dismissed as well. I think a bit of common sense could have prevailed but how often do we see that from referees these days.

I understand how they feel hard done by but don't think it is quiet as black and white as some make out and to make out its the first time a supporter feels cheated in 47 years is extraordinary and as Barry says, laughable.

 

 

 



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Total hysteria now seems to have broken out on the Horsham forum with someone suggesting two Hastings players should have 'woken up in the cells' for their part in the skirmish yesterday. How absurd !
While I understand their disappointment at tossing away a winning position I really don't think this sort of emotive nonsense is helping to defuse the situation.
I think we all accept that the red card distribution may easily have been different but with so many players involved the ref can only act on what he sees. I maintain it was all a bit of a fuss about nothing and the ref should have liberally handed out yellows...but he identified three individuals who 'crossed the line' and acted accordingly. Who can argue with that ?
And I totally take your point, John, that if this is the first time that Horsham supporter has ever felt cheated in 47 years of watching football then he's been extraordinarily lucky.

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Johnw, I was one of those supporters right behind the linesman, and I can tell you it was most definately a handball. No two-ways about it 100% the linesman got it bang on........

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Chris the club was never at any point gambling £2750, he didn't play yesterday for the reason stated therefore no gamble was taken. The club already pay an extra £8 per signing they send via email ( as they did with Josh) and the fine if any will probably be around £25 I would imagine. Giving that this happens occasionally and thankfully rarely at least at our club it's rarely, in my opinion the cost if we sent all registrations special delivery would probably outweigh the cost of a £25 fine when you work out the number of players signed by the club.
When I said earlier that it happens I didn't make myself clear that it happens right across the league not specifically at our club, once again Tony is probably one of the most experienced and valued secretaries in our league if not non league football.

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I thought at first that the linesman was flagging for a foul on the Horsham player but then I was a very long way from the incident.
John the incident with Kenny being pulled down I thought in fairness that his touch took the ball away from goal but you were obviously closer. I won't argue with you but you know I'm right!!!!! Lol.

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They do seem to be going into meltdown a bit too much on their forum.... I suppose it's mostly due to going out of 3 cups in 3 straight matches and especially to a club managed by John Maggs!

When's the draw? Also is it restricted to Ryman clubs or could we get anyone at steps 3-4?

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Lenny the gamble I meant was not ensuring the document was delivered in a timely manner, and by only sending it normal post you were gambling on it arriving. Therefore gambling on Hares availability, and we in hindsight did need him out there.

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One thing certain about these posts is that Tony Cosens is an absolute legend at Hastings and in non-league football. As to the mass brawl,it was initiated by Kenny rushing over to support Sam, who was more than capable of looking after himself. However, as Horsham somehow managed to get 2 players sent off in the pushing.grappling,posturing scene that followed, Kenny probably deserved his MOM award in the non-league paper. One conclusion might be that if Hastings players are going to react in that manner to every poor tackle, then it is giving carte blanche to every club in the league to start dishing out a few tasty tackles against Hastings.



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Thankfully these sort of things happen very rarely, I believe though that our discipline has been much better than last seasons.

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Dan this will explain what clubs enter the competition and when.

 

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Come on lets be realistic it made the game livened it up and helped us win, nothing wrong with an occasional mass brawl in a game, at least it shows players care and are united. Last season they wouldn't have been bothered.

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That comment I cannot believe. You are proud of such behaviour.

Why not get prints of pictures 62-67 made up to warn opposition what they can expect.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/horshamfc/sets/72157636732531316/

 



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Re. yesterday's incidents; I just hope that there are no players (on either side) nursing real or imagined grievances for next Saturday's encounter. We will lose Timmy for three games and we cannot afford to lose another key player through some further flare up - no matter what the provocation.

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All those pictures show Hastings as aggressors, where are the ones that incriminate Horsham players, I think that is called selective publication, if you expect to be taken seriously let's see them all and not the ones you want everyone to see. Your bitterness for a result is unbelievable, it's football and sometimes **** happens, if you can't accept it, follow another sport.

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Thanks for that Barry so technically we could get someone as far away as FC United of Manchester then?

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I'm sure they'd regionalise it slightly at this stage Dan.

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I quite fancy a trip to Tiverton!

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 Horsham are a nomadic club with obviously some bitter and twisted supporters that may need help from a head doctor, and the rant on their forum about admission prices borders on hysterical, having to pay an extra £1 once a season, this year twice, is hardly worth complaining about.

 well thank you chris. many thanks as you have just enhanced my warped world. whist I think bitching about entrance fees is a minor point, only one supporter made that observation. someone else highlighted the prices.  hardly plural though is it.

with regards to the head doctor and nomads.....we still play 50 metres from our old ground. we support in our own way and always will. really nice that you turn it round into barbed comments about our situation. nice.

hastings fans are generally decent folks. you took it down a level.

 

bitter? not us. maybe you are though that you throw accusations down, and stab us over our ground?

 

you have a good manager and a good club.  i look forward to seeing whether you are just a transient arrows fan.

 

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I've always wanted somewhere like Tivvy or Bideford too. Probably get Margate now!

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Oooooooohhhhhhh guys, please remember my question from a few months back if there is any possibility of showing the highlights of the games we played.



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Horsham filmed the match and show it on their forum, would imagine it will be edited to show mostly their chances and goals though. No breakthrough as far as I know in regards to filming matches though mate, doesn't seem anyone around with the equipment and knowledge to film, edit and upload.

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Bert when are you likely to get over for a game?
Not sure if its going to be possible to get highlites as nobody does them any longer however Horsham are claiming they have video evidence of yesterday's escapade so you may find something on their website but I'm not aware of anyone filming yesterday!

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Bert when are you likely to get over for a game?
Not sure if its going to be possible to get highlites as nobody does them any longer however Horsham are claiming they have video evidence of yesterday's escapade so you may find something on their website but I'm not aware of anyone filming yesterday!

 Hi  Barrie , hope to come over in april 2014 and watch a home and away game ( 19 & 21 ).

Had a look and the Horsham website, a link to youtube but there wasn't a video yet.



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Will be on here tomorrow night apparently, looks like it's probably from behind the goal they attack so unlikely to show the whole match evenly.

I do half expect the 'incident' to be edited to look like a scene from 'Zulu' with the saintly Horsham players surrounded by hordes of angry Hastings players looking to massacre them! Lol

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Whitstable at home and Peacehaven away, quite a local one the Peacehaven game I'm sure a fair few will be at that. It Will be good to meet you Bert.

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Will be on here tomorrow night apparently, looks like it's probably from behind the goal they attack so unlikely to show the whole match evenly.

I do half expect the 'incident' to be edited to look like a scene from 'Zulu' with the saintly Horsham players surrounded by hordes of angry Hastings players looking to massacre them! Lol

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Amusing all this to and fro but certainly Horsham fans give impression they dont get to see much football and are jonny come latelys! I mean if this was biggest injustice for them in donkeys years then they dont watch many games.
they do seam bitter and really need to get over it. they threw it away, simple. yet they blame the ref and our players. had there guy not done the stupid back pass we would probably not be having this thread go on. as someone else said they could and should in my opinion have been down to 10 men early in first half when the horsham defender took out Pogue. The brawl yes all there players were innocent even the guy that started it with the initial challenge on Sam that would be an assault in the street! Get real.
but what i like is the fact that there fans think they played so well,, really? we were shocking worse performance i see us this season and we still manage more threat them then despite always giving ball away. if we play to 75% of our capability on Saturday and Horsham 'equally as well' as they did last Saturday cant see any other than 3 points for us



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Cowshed, I said some not all, accusing the ref of cheating hours after the game is hardly rational, you have played on more grounds than YMCA in recent years, and you are currently homeless, no fault of the fans I know.
I think comments on your forum about the result do suggest some are bitter about the result, and even the pictures don't represent a balanced view of the brawl.

I am not stabbing you over your ground, but you weren't made homeless were you ? It was a decision made within the club, and I do know the story, but this is a Hastings forum not Horsham, so I'm not commenting on it here.


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Cowshed - you say on your forum that we are a bunch of " Johnny come lately" s on this forum and that this forum was dead until we went down a league and started winning ! Thanks for giving me the best laugh ever in my morning commute. What are you trying to stir? Last thing we all need is supporters on either side winding each other up - time to move on I think

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I'm just happy to see Chris criticising someone else for a change!

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Funny enough i think that the comment about the forum being busier since we started winning to be quite the opposite! it was much busier when we were struggling last season with people wanting to let off off steam and have a ( understandable ) moan which to be honest is probably why their forum is so busy as they've having the same!

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It's always been a busy forum Dan - to be honest that was one of the most pathetic comments from a poster on any forum that I have ever seen. cowshed really let the Horsham fans down with that. S has been said many times get over it and move on.

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Pat wrote:

Cowshed - you say on your forum that we are a bunch of " Johnny come lately" s on this forum and that this forum was dead until we went down a league and started winning ! Thanks for giving me the best laugh ever in my morning commute. What are you trying to stir? Last thing we all need is supporters on either side winding each other up - time to move on I think

 glad I made you laugh pat! 

was a little annoyed that our ground situation came in to it. apologies for any offence.

hastings has always been well supported and the stats prove that.

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I've seen some crazy decisions over the years at the Pilot Field, Timmy's stoppage time equaliser when he punched it in stands out some years back (Can't remember the opponents though!). I remember leaving that game thinking 'How have we got away with that one?!'. I did on Saturday really. Not gonna lie, Sammy should have gone, and while I shouted for a penalty for the handball which was right in front of me, I was thinking to myself it wasn't. But I can also remember leaving games feeling cheated, when the referee has sent off one of ours after a tussle, but let the opposition walk free.

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I'm sure that we will be on the end of some very dubious refereeing decisions this season if we haven't already.
I have to agree with Pat that both this " new" forum and the old one were very far from quiet so to say that the forum is quiet is really a bit silly but to his credit Cowshed has been man enough to apologise. Its time to move on and concentrate on Saturdays game........who we got any ideas?

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Leaving aside the controversy of Saturday and all the recriminations between the fans on the various forums, the forthcoming repeat fixture is certainly full of interest.
To be honest, apart from those few minutes of mayhem, the game was played in a pretty good spirit throughout and there was barely a bad tackle in the whole game. So will any players be out for revenge ? I'd like to think not but without doubt we will need to be 'up for it' because Horsham won't need any additional motivation.
I actually don't believe we can play as badly as we did in that first seventy minutes and I certainly expect one or two changes in the lineup. Meanwhile Horsham fans thought their team played really well.....so based on those two factors surely we will put in a far better showing than we did on Saturday.
I'll predict a close game with the U's winning by one goal.

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end of the day horsham mucked up a 2-0 lead , decided to start a fight and lost the game . Bitter is not the word for them! embarrassed and ashamed is more right!

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Good highlights of the match from Horsham FC. Penalty decision should never have been given and Horsham harshly dealt with by the ref in the skirmish. Hope our good fortune continues for the rest of the season.



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Barry wrote:

No Dan it is still regionalised so could get someone up as far as Cambridge but as far west as Tiverton!!

This competition is regionalised even in the first round proper when the conference clubs come in. 

We will have to win 3 more games before thoughts of drawing Barrow or Grimsby away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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-- Edited by Barry on Sunday 20th of October 2013 06:15:18 PM

 I have friends in Tiverton and tons of family up in Grimsby! 



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Courtesy of CSM @ Horsham FC

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Pick the bones out of that !!!

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Good highlights of the Horsham match so thank you for those. Was interesting listening to some of the background comments such like "has anyone got a firearm?". Many thanks for the highlights. Shame you couldn't see my celebration when Jordan scored his screamer to out us ahead, both arms in the air running down the touchline! Just must agree with Rimsay about how Horsham much be feeling.

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Agree with TBJ......shocking penalty decision.
And how KP got away with nothing is incredible.

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Yeah probably one of the worst decisions given but they can't blame the ref for that as it was the linesman that gave it. I'm not saying that Tim shouldn't of been sent off but I think the lad lost balance more than thrown to the ground, if you look closely him and Tim have their arms high it think with Tim's height difference his momentum caused him to fall. Kenny was lucky as we've all agreed but you have to say again, how could the officials pick the bones out of that mellee? It was pure guess work I reckon.
Take the penalty away and Wooders goal was unstoppable then his tap in would of been enough. I hope we can play to our ability on Saturday and get another 3 points.
Ironically Horsham can do us a favour on Wednesday when they play Walton Casuals.

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The comment from the Horsham fan was actually "Has anybody got a sniper ?".
Can we assume from this that Horsham are in the habit of taking a trained hit man to games for those occasions they feel decisions are going against them ?
An interesting idea. Perhaps we too could consider a club sniper paid for from our FA Cup winnings.

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Find Maggs comments about us never going to win until the brawl strange, we were 2-1 down and still in the game, cant see why he made those remarks was it just to be nice to Horsham, if it was then im not very impressed, as how many times have a team turned a one goal deficit into victory in the last 20.

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Great footage from Horsham .I missed the game on Saturday but this has helped me see what all the fuss was about . Anyone know if the FA or whatever can use such footage as retrospective punishment ? After all is was all very clear . Also, I find it amazing that last year we had fans slating the players for discipline ,which possibly cost us survival , yet the same fans are now saying its ok now and it's passion ! Weird !!! Every club that will play us from now on will know exactly who to wind up ,starting on Saturday .Well it is firework season after all said and done i suppose . I will be surprised if our suspensions don't cost us a few points . Tim has been a vital cog in our recent successes. Oh yeah , one other thing ! Every club must also now know we are weak at left back , before they even kick a ball ....the power and failures of a forum I guess !

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Same as Windy I wasn't there, nice work from the Horsham lad who filmed it.

If we were in their position I think we'd be a bit p***ed off with the outcome, can't argue with Tim with being sent off, seeing as it looked as though he threw someone to the ground, Kenny was lucky not to get at least a yellow to be fair. Though can't believe people on their forum acting as though their players were innocent as you can quite clearly see players in yellow shirts getting stuck in, one that sticks out is one of their guys aggressively yanking Danny's shirt and getting in his face.

Very harsh penalty decision by the looks of it, seems like we got lucky on Saturday.

Should make an interesting game on Saturday!

Oh and one their comments genuinely cracked me up, suggesting Rimmer must be on cystal meth after the comment he made on here... I heard he has it for breakfast. biggrin



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Read Horsham Forum again just now and really cant believe they believe all there players are angels and if they were it would not show much team spirit. we must not go back to last year and indiscipline as someone said it cost us our place and having to play teams like Horsham. but when you look at footage Tim was biggest culprit and got sent off the rest was just pushing and shoving and horsham players as guilty as ours. Probably unlucky that they had 2 sent off to our one but cant be easy making decisions on spur of moment and not be able to watch video over and over. i also thought Maggs comments were poor as at 2-1 down and horsham having conceded a very poor goal i really thought we had a lifeline in game and would equalise so Maggs comments were poor. he need to remember he is manager of HUFC now and yes he has feelings for Horsham but not when we are playing them. i expect our players to show how good they are football wise this Saturday and think the start 11 will be different and we will be to strong for Horsham

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